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12 Mar 2012 02:22 #1 by Ex-Member
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well i have decided to design and build my own low wing sportster.

i am thinking of a 60" wingspan, with swept back wings and a flying tail. ( i like to make things difficult)
tricycle under carriage.
electric with the prop at the front.
so any ideas or tips would be appreciated.

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12 Mar 2012 02:24 #2 by Eric
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If you can find pics, have a look at the MFA Chevron. (I vaguely recall seeing it is being re-kitted by somebody, too).

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12 Mar 2012 02:50 #3 by Ex-Member
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sen the chevron.
i fancy something more jet like in style.

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12 Mar 2012 03:51 #4 by Ex-Member
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constant chord wing.
easier to build.
flying tail will be interesting to build.
basic box fuselage with maybe a curved top, nothing fancy.

done a rough sketch and will start drawing some plans tomorrow evening.

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12 Mar 2012 04:01 #5 by Eric
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Constant chord and sweep-back doesn't look right. Needs slome taper as well or it looks clunky.

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12 Mar 2012 04:06 #6 by Ex-Member
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naaaaaaaaaaaaa be fine.
need it to be simple if i plan to make a couple of them.

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12 Mar 2012 04:57 #7 by Grumpy42
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Tony B. AKA Blooper wrote: constant chord wing.
easier to build.
flying tail will be interesting to build.
basic box fuselage with maybe a curved top, nothing fancy.

done a rough sketch and will start drawing some plans tomorrow evening.


And set the CG by throwing a dart at the plan????:P :P :P

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12 Mar 2012 11:36 #8 by Phil Wood
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Just for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know what a "flying tail" is, ... it's where the whole horizontal stabilizer, or tailplane, moves, instead of it having an elevator attached to a fixed surface.
It can also be called a "Stabilator"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabilator

Should be interesting coming from you Tony, look forward to it. ;)

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12 Mar 2012 13:19 #9 by Klipkopwildlife
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All flying tails are notorious for being very twitchy, I had an 18metre sailplane once with a stabilator, it was twitchy as hell in pitch and very, very slow in roll, not a pleasant combination!
Remember that the tail will give you your angle of attack for the main plane, so set the tail to about -1o. The other thing is, you must keep the tail out of the prop wash, or you will get some very funny responses, throttle on/off

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12 Mar 2012 16:35 #10 by Eric
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Twitchy in pitch - rearward c of g. And as it was a sailplane, too, they are designed to be sensitive, or they won't react to a thermal!
Just keep the amount of movement small until you have flown it, then adjust to suit your style.
Klippy put - so set the tail to about -1o - no, mate, +1' I could accept, minus one = leading edge up, puts you in a permanent dive!

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12 Mar 2012 16:56 #11 by Ex-Member
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tailplane will be positioned about half way up the fin.
looking at sketches at the mo.

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12 Mar 2012 22:30 #12 by Klipkopwildlife
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Depends how you look at it Eric, I meant the leading edge of the tailplane must be 1o lower than the trailing edge. I'm using the same terms of reference as we use for the mainplane, if it's different for tailplanes, my apologies.:)

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12 Mar 2012 23:11 #13 by Eric
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As the Aussies say - no worries mite! A tailplane incidence is reversed from that of a mainplane, because it works in the other direction, if you think about it!
Mainplane leading edge up is positive, tailplane leading edge down is positive, because they both cause an upward pitch moment!

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13 Mar 2012 22:52 #14 by Klipkopwildlife
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Thanks Eric, you've just volunteered to put it into Modeling terms!:) :) :)

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14 Mar 2012 07:00 #15 by Grumpy42
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Eric wrote: As the Aussies say - no worries mite! A tailplane incidence is reversed from that of a mainplane, because it works in the other direction, if you think about it!
Mainplane leading edge up is positive, tailplane leading edge down is positive, because they both cause an upward pitch moment!


Theoretically your argument sounds reasonably firm Eric but design convention still calls leading edge down NEGATIVE incidence. There are a number of other variables to be taken into account as well - is the tailplane a flat plane airfoil or does it have a flat bottomed or even symetrical airfoil section and the tailplane's position on the fin also needs to be taken into account. If you have a copy of Martin Simon's book -Model Aircraft Aerodynamics - there is a very clear discussion of the rigging requirements in Chapter 12 - Trim and Stability - starting page 139. Oh - and by the way - it's mate - not mite:P

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