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Why would you do this one asks? Well, suppose you have a 4 servo wing, not that unusual I understand. You could run the Bus out into the wing and have 2 S.Bus servos set to Aileron1 (Channel 1) and the other wing half servos set to Aileron2 (Channel 6) Preset all your info and the servos do the rest, no more servos fighting one another!
Once you've done this you would have to remember that Channels 1 & 6 can no longer be used on the RX itself, unless, of course you want to split the ailerons and use standard analogue servos on the split section. Many full size gliders use this system when you don't want too much throw out towards the wing tip.
Beware, you can't mix S.Bus2 and S.Bus servos on the same Bus system!
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If you can shed some light, please feel free.
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The reason I haven't, is that I'm stuck for time .... & this is the advantage of the forum.
I understand the advantages of a single bus with the power heavy cables... but this signal wire????
Are you saying that the entire digital data stream is passed down a single wire to all servo's & the decoding is done in the servo itself?
Where a normal Rx decodes the signal & then splits it into each channel output .... this system leaves the programmed servo to decide which bit of data it has to respond to? ..... If so, ... hasn't it just moved the decoder?
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I'm still a little stuck on seeing the advantages ..... no doubt there are several, or they wouldn't have bothered... I need to get my thinking cap on.Klipkopwildlife wrote: Exactly right Phil, I imagine Futaba now have a proprietary chip that they can throw into servos and hubs, costs them just a few cents. You can also buy a hub that gives you 3 standard servo outputs.
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And a lot of cash!
Now if Futaba were being really obtuse (which they are known to be) they would add even more complexity, superimpose the signal and use just two wires!
A full size glider achieves all those functions (and in both wings) with just 3 "servos". Flap lever, Air brake lever and Joy stick.
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It was great in those days Alan ... but things progressed.alan cantwell wrote: head, over , WHOOSH what happened to the days we went out flying with a wot4, 4 old servos, and a500mh ni-cad, that had seen better days, flew all day, and went home happy, and unstressed,
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I don't want to take this thread off topic Klippy, but Alan's comment has reminded me of something I mentioned to Garry on our last flying session.
I seem to remember a Tx with a roll button. ...... I don't think it was a simple half rate button.
I think the general idea was that you could program the Tx to do a "Perfect" roll.
It was essentially some form of simple recording system that allowed you to do a mix of elevator, aileron & rudder.... you could keep doing rolls until you got it right ..... then you could just hit the button for every following roll.
Sounds like I've been dreaming doesn't it?
I still can't see much advantage with this new system ... a bit of weight saving because of less wires maybe.... but that's about it.
It would of course mean that the Rx required only one output .... each servo would select which part of the data stream it was to respond to.
The servo motor wires would also offer less resistance by working on the domestic ring main system.
I see it as an alternative system, .... but I don't see much in the way of it being a better system.
The chances are that some boffin will come out of the woodwork & shoot me down in flames .... such are the advantages of modern technology.
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You will probably find that the same three wires will turn lights on and off, operate sound effects, and anything else that the gadgeteers can dream up.
if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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Exactly Alan, one of the reasons I'm doing this overview is because 10years from now all our radio stuff is going to be done this way. Not too long ago somebody on RCM&E did a future cast of what people would be doing 20years from now, Looking back over the last 20years, he wasn't far wrong!alan cantwell wrote: only jesting, i use similar, i use JR Matchboxes, these can let me plug in several servos, and set them individually, i can also use programmable servos with my HI-TEC programmer, these i can set up individually for each control surface, is this similar to this futaba thing?
Yes Eric, exactly like the DCC system, except that we don't get so many channels outgoing, we do however have 31 channels incoming!
Unfortunately Phil if we use a ring system we won't have the advantage of being able to distribute additional batteries around the plane. Also don't make the mistake of being egocentric! The Heli boys use quite a few functions, and use the S.Bus to connect their gyros. And, we haven't even touched ships!
The 14SG has a Roll function you can press, and yes it does exactly that!
Yes Simon it is eyewateringly expensive, but then many of us remember how expensive (as a proportion of income) a 4 channel set was 30 years ago! 5 years from now Analogue servos will be both expensive and only a small part of the market, the rest will all be programmable digital connected to an RX that does the channel distribution or to the S.Bus! And, by todays standards, cheap!
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A relatively simple 4 channel plane complete and ready to fly out of the box for what was then the price of a couple of servos and sold in tens if not hundreds of thousands.
The market forces this produces are very significant, for example, buy a plane servo of any type from anywhere and the chances are its plug fits (despite Futaba's best efforts
Distributed encoding will surely only become significant (i.e. cheap!) if and when a standard system is adopted.
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