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20 Jun 2019 19:17 - 20 Jun 2019 19:18 #1 by Klipkopwildlife
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This aircraft used to belong to Garry Pollard, RIP. I want to fly her with my new Horus x12s TX. As discussed on another thread (Maidens) the fact that I'd had to put 2 4,000mAh 3s batteries in to balance her was called into question. This photo shows her balancing at 80mm the the batteries in. 80mm with a chord of 270mm = 29.6%. I like to maiden with the CoG on 28 to 30% and start playing later. For their Blizzard, Multiplex say 50%, just try it first time out and see how far you get!
I then did a test with these batteries and got 312watts, for a 2.4Kg model it's a bit marginal. Then I removed the batteries and weighed them, 512gm, very close to the weight of the 5,000mAh 4s that Garry used to use.

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20 Jun 2019 20:38 #2 by Phil Wood
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Klipkopwildlife wrote: I then did a test with these batteries and got 312watts, for a 2.4Kg model it's a bit marginal. Then I removed the batteries and weighed them, 512gm, very close to the weight of the 5,000mAh 4s that Garry used to use.

I think that's why Garry used 4S, I seem to remember him saying that it would fly on 3S but he liked to go vertical. :silly:
Did you find any repairs near the tail that would account for the balance problem?

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20 Jun 2019 20:42 #3 by THE BLACKBIRD
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I think Garry used to fly mainly 4s in all or most of his models

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20 Jun 2019 20:58 #4 by Phil Wood
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THE BLACKBIRD wrote: I think Garry used to fly mainly 4s in all or most of his models

Yes he did, he tried to sell me this Speed Air but I only had a collection of 3S lipo's. When I bought 12 of the 4S 5000mAh (6 for Garry & 6 for me) I also bought a model called a Nemesis, so I didn't need the Speed Air.
I've just looked on Steve Webb's site and this model is recommended for a 4S 5000 with an AUW of 2.4Kg ..... You said in your first post that it was a 2.4Kg model but did you get to this weight Tony?

www.stevewebb.co.uk/index.php?pid=BHSPEEDAIR&area=Aircraft

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21 Jun 2019 11:44 - 21 Jun 2019 11:46 #5 by Klipkopwildlife
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I've yet to weigh it Phil, I got that weight off the net. This is my setup, as you can see I had to leave the battery hatch off to squeeze them in. This is the damage I'm talking about. Not Garry's style at all, unless he got a bit uncaring once his illness was diagnosed and he knew how little time he had left. He certainly didn't let on to me how little time he had left and we 'spoke' pretty much every day.

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21 Jun 2019 12:22 #6 by paul d
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Pardon me for asking, but who was Gary? keep reading his name mentioned....

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21 Jun 2019 13:33 #7 by THE BLACKBIRD
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Garry was one of the founder members of the forum, also a moderator
He died a while ago, well missed
R.I.P. my friend
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21 Jun 2019 13:49 #8 by Klipkopwildlife
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Tony just said it all! If Garry had any faults it was that he wouldn't suffer fools and could be very acerbic at times. When he left us he went very suddenly and none of us had the chance to say farewell!

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21 Jun 2019 18:37 #9 by Klipkopwildlife
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With my new 4,000mAh 4s pack she weighs in at 2.405Kg, and I'm getting 800watts at full throttle! Now to recheck the CoG.

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22 Jun 2019 12:46 #10 by old fart
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Ordinarily, I would have suggested just fitting an engine, but when I saw the pictures, it would probably shake it to pieces. :(

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22 Jun 2019 13:59 #11 by Klipkopwildlife
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I'm an engine man myself OF and I did think about it.
With my batteries which are 100gm lighter the CoG has moved back from 29.6% to 32.2%. I'm very tempted to reduce the elevator throw and maiden her at the new CoG, any comments please?

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22 Jun 2019 16:13 #12 by Phil Wood
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Sounds to me like you've got the recommended battery, the correct weight, the correct COG,.... what are you waiting for? :)
I flew that model (I think) under those same conditions and it was fine, it wouldn't quite go vertical but it was quite capable of some mild aerobatics.
Whatever repairs Garry carried out to it can't be that serious or they would have increased it's all up weight, I'd just give it a go mate, if you can fly a trainer you can fly that. :silly:

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22 Jun 2019 16:16 #13 by Phil Wood
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If I remember correctly, it had a tendency to roll faster in one direction than in the other, can't remember which way was which though. :lol:

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22 Jun 2019 21:54 - 22 Jun 2019 21:55 #14 by old fart
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Klipkopwildlife wrote: the CoG has moved back from 29.6% to 32.2%. I'm very tempted to reduce the elevator throw and maiden her at the new CoG, any comments please?


The CoG you quoted sounds perfect to me. :)

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22 Jun 2019 21:57 #15 by Eric
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If your balance-point is close to or on the thickest part of the section (usually the spar or wing joiner, as well) that's about right - - - usually! :evil:

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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