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03 May 2019 11:50 #1
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Thought it worth asking for opinions on this installation bearing in mind it's my first 2.4ghz set up.
Are the ariel's ok where they are routed? I was proposing to run the forward one through the cockpit and into the battery box.
Wiring needs tidying up and the rx will be foam padded once the fuselage is covered etc.
Are the ariel's ok where they are routed? I was proposing to run the forward one through the cockpit and into the battery box.
Wiring needs tidying up and the rx will be foam padded once the fuselage is covered etc.
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03 May 2019 14:06 - 03 May 2019 14:09 #2
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if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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Several NO's, and a maybe or two (or three)!
1) Are the ariel's ok where they are routed - NO. Do not run an aerial near anything metallic ie battery!
As this model is going to be a slow flyer, have one poking out sideways, and one pointing up vertically. The extra 0.002% of drag won't make any difference.
2) rx will be foam padded - NO - it must be in free air, or it may overheat. You need a vent hole in the bulkhead in front, and a vent at the back of the aircraft.
3) How the heck are you going to get the control horn onto the aft servo? If you remove the servo, fit the horn, then re-install the servo, you cannot adjust the control run. Likewise you cannot adjust the run THEN put the servo in!
4) You need cooling air to flow over the motor, AND the lipo AND the speed controller, with corresponding vents or through-flow of the entire fuselage - as mentioned in 2).
5) the Maybe 1) - if you have made your battery box an exact fit fore and aft, how do you intend to alter the position to get the c of g correct?
2) Have you built-in the right and down-thrust to the motor mount/firewall.
3) Have you considered how you are going to extract the battery in a hurry, if needs be? You do NOT want a screw-fit hatch-catch, or to have to take the wing off.
Apart from that - -
And a secondary question - why did you start a new thread, rather than just carry on from where you'd got up to?
1) Are the ariel's ok where they are routed - NO. Do not run an aerial near anything metallic ie battery!
As this model is going to be a slow flyer, have one poking out sideways, and one pointing up vertically. The extra 0.002% of drag won't make any difference.
2) rx will be foam padded - NO - it must be in free air, or it may overheat. You need a vent hole in the bulkhead in front, and a vent at the back of the aircraft.
3) How the heck are you going to get the control horn onto the aft servo? If you remove the servo, fit the horn, then re-install the servo, you cannot adjust the control run. Likewise you cannot adjust the run THEN put the servo in!
4) You need cooling air to flow over the motor, AND the lipo AND the speed controller, with corresponding vents or through-flow of the entire fuselage - as mentioned in 2).
5) the Maybe 1) - if you have made your battery box an exact fit fore and aft, how do you intend to alter the position to get the c of g correct?
2) Have you built-in the right and down-thrust to the motor mount/firewall.
3) Have you considered how you are going to extract the battery in a hurry, if needs be? You do NOT want a screw-fit hatch-catch, or to have to take the wing off.
Apart from that - -
And a secondary question - why did you start a new thread, rather than just carry on from where you'd got up to?
if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
Last edit: 03 May 2019 14:09 by Eric. Reason: added a comment
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03 May 2019 15:26 - 03 May 2019 15:29 #3
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Thanks Eric,
I'll re-route the ariels! There is no motor etc.....it's a glider!
Didn't realise 2.4 rx's got warm so maybe I'll just fit a foam pad below it.
The aft servo is the rudder servo, it's spindle protrudes through the bottom of the fuselage, the closed loop system will be totally external, I know this sounds vulnerable but the tow hook mount and the fin and rudder offer it protection.
If you look carefully there is another compartment in front of the switch compartment this is the ballast box.
Lastly I thought the questions I posed may be looked at more in this section of the forum, apologies.
I'll re-route the ariels! There is no motor etc.....it's a glider!
Didn't realise 2.4 rx's got warm so maybe I'll just fit a foam pad below it.
The aft servo is the rudder servo, it's spindle protrudes through the bottom of the fuselage, the closed loop system will be totally external, I know this sounds vulnerable but the tow hook mount and the fin and rudder offer it protection.
If you look carefully there is another compartment in front of the switch compartment this is the ballast box.
Lastly I thought the questions I posed may be looked at more in this section of the forum, apologies.
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03 May 2019 17:37 #4
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if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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Understood - I thought you were making it electric assist!
You don't need a foam pad under the rx. What for? There will be no vibration to worry about. Just arrange for a bit of ventilation.
In use, a 2.4 rx gets barely warm, but if you wrap it up in foam (heat insulation!) it can get too hot. (Picture yourself in bed, mid-day, on a hot summer's day, with a blanket and a duvet over you! ((I won't ask what you were DOING in bed, at midday - unless you were on the night shift, of course!))
You don't need a foam pad under the rx. What for? There will be no vibration to worry about. Just arrange for a bit of ventilation.
In use, a 2.4 rx gets barely warm, but if you wrap it up in foam (heat insulation!) it can get too hot. (Picture yourself in bed, mid-day, on a hot summer's day, with a blanket and a duvet over you! ((I won't ask what you were DOING in bed, at midday - unless you were on the night shift, of course!))
if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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03 May 2019 20:59 #5
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I agree with everything Eric has said except don't worry about anything over heating.
For my taste those servos are ever so big and heavy as is the Rx box itself!
I don't know what the torque rating of each of those metal geared servos is but I bet it is more than the all up weight of the glider!
Given the fuselage is a bit of a sardine can even the metal in the servo gears can add to the potential for radio 'shading'.
'Micro' everything and you would have a bit more room to play with.
For my taste those servos are ever so big and heavy as is the Rx box itself!
I don't know what the torque rating of each of those metal geared servos is but I bet it is more than the all up weight of the glider!
Given the fuselage is a bit of a sardine can even the metal in the servo gears can add to the potential for radio 'shading'.
'Micro' everything and you would have a bit more room to play with.
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04 May 2019 08:54 #6
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Thanks for the advice, sadly no funds for micro gear. Think I'll poke the forward ariel out the side and leave the satellite down the back as shown in the pictures.
I really must weigh it today and see how shapes up.
I really must weigh it today and see how shapes up.
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04 May 2019 09:53 #7
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Paul
It would indeed be interesting to know the weight of your RC gear.
This is the sort of thing I would suggest and not that expensive either.
www.lemon-rx.com/index.php?route=product...h=72&product_id=1226 channel Rx 4.4g $12,25 (delivery extra)
www.lemon-rx.com/index.php?route=product...&product_id=122micro servo 3.7 g (actually 4.5 with wire and plug) £1.99 incl delivery from China! Note those servos use very flexible and light 32 AWG wire.
If you want a "minimum" installation and use 4 NiMh to power it (those servos are limited to 5V) then that is all you need, say 15 g total (just over 1/2 oz) plus the batteries. Its not only the light weight that is significant but also the ease with which it would all fit in.
Perhaps next time!
It would indeed be interesting to know the weight of your RC gear.
This is the sort of thing I would suggest and not that expensive either.
www.lemon-rx.com/index.php?route=product...h=72&product_id=1226 channel Rx 4.4g $12,25 (delivery extra)
www.lemon-rx.com/index.php?route=product...&product_id=122micro servo 3.7 g (actually 4.5 with wire and plug) £1.99 incl delivery from China! Note those servos use very flexible and light 32 AWG wire.
If you want a "minimum" installation and use 4 NiMh to power it (those servos are limited to 5V) then that is all you need, say 15 g total (just over 1/2 oz) plus the batteries. Its not only the light weight that is significant but also the ease with which it would all fit in.
Perhaps next time!
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04 May 2019 09:57 #8
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Now you have a good plan, remember to straighten the Satellite Aerial wire.
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04 May 2019 11:13 #9
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according to the specs the servo come in at 10g each, the receiver is 12.5g and you quite correct the servo are rated @ 1.4kg!! just weighed the whole model and it currently weighs a fraction under 6 ounces ( no battery and no covering on the fuselage).
Thanks for the links, I may yet invest
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04 May 2019 12:28 #10
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Hi Paul, for a really light setup I use a single lipo with a 5v voltage booster from HK. I have literally dozens of assorted micro servos from 3.7g up to 10g which I can bung in a envelope for you quite easily. I'll be in the UK next week and if I post them when I get there they'll arrive before HK get theirs packed! Let me know, it's no problem.
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04 May 2019 14:27 #11
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Oh that's very kind of you Gary!!
d/t fuse arrived half hour ago.....many many thanks mate, didn't expect quite so much!! got enough to last me several lifetimes now.
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d/t fuse arrived half hour ago.....many many thanks mate, didn't expect quite so much!! got enough to last me several lifetimes now.
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