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08 Jan 2022 22:44 #1 by Ward
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Hello,
not sure if anyone can help but i started building and flying under an instructor around 35 years ago. had to give up after a while due to work.
I am really keen to take it up again and particularly enjoy the building and fitting out (gear and controls).
as a starter i am thinking of building the Jimmy Electric aileron trainer (SRC) as supplied by Sussex models.
Do any of you guys have experience of this model and how it is in the hands of what could be considered a novice? I fly a fair bit on RF simulator - mainly to get my head around stick reverse again.
Would be more than interested to hear your thoughts.
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09 Jan 2022 07:03 #2 by Klipkopwildlife
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A warm welcome from me, and welcome back. Personally I'm not sure a simulator will help much. I prefer the mantra "prop the down wing up"
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09 Jan 2022 07:16 #3 by Klipkopwildlife
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The kit in question is HERE
My first observations are, with that amount of dihedral it's going to be super stable and will probably fly rudder only. My other caveat is weight, the entire rear fuselage and empenage (everything after the main wing trailing edge) can be trimmed down considerably with no loss of structural integrity, and it'll fly so much better.

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09 Jan 2022 08:47 - 09 Jan 2022 09:05 #4 by Eric
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At 1000mm/3 foot 3" it's rather small for a first trainer model.
Why?
The small wing would make it difficult to keep the flying weight down. (wing loading), leading to a rather fast flying speed.
It would very quickly get too small to see easily, so you could struggle to see which way it was going.
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As Ward seems to want to build the model, rather than buy a foamie, I'd suggest he looks at the Ben Buckle Super Sixty with ailerons, almost twice the size, not much heavier, therefore a much slower flyer.
It also means he could use a much larger battery pack, for longer gentle flights, rather than a four minute dash, as the weight penalty is spread over the much larger wing area, so is less critical.
As there is no nose-wheel, it won't keep wrecking the servo gears while he learns to land it! (On my Phoenix model, which I use for training students, I have fitted a 'sacrificial' dead cheap servo just for the nose leg, so if the gears get mashed in a kangaroo 'arrival', I still have rudder control).
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I would also strongly advise Ward to find a club near him, who have an Instructor, it would save him a lot of grief and rebuilding time!
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Being in a club also removes the hassle of finding a suitable flying site, and usually also provides insurance to cover him from the inevitable accidents.
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As Klippy said - 'flying' a simulator on a computer is very different to really flying a model aircraft, which can be affected by all kinds of things you never even thought of, and sim's don't cover, spatial awareness being one of them!
Sim's are ok for initial practice at new 'silly' manouevres, because when the model goes splat - it magically rebuilds itself - at no cost.
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As a p.s. Models designed to be electric powered from the outset tend to be very lightly built, rather like a free-flight model used to be/or is. So they don't take kindly to being repeatedly hit by the ground - as they are mostly space held together by a few sticks, so you would spend a lot of your time repairing or rebuilding bits, instead of flying the thing!

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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09 Jan 2022 09:08 #5 by paul d
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Welcome Ward, I just so happen to have a super 60 plan if your interested?

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09 Jan 2022 09:52 - 09 Jan 2022 09:54 #6 by Klipkopwildlife
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Good call Eric, I hadn't noticed the small size.
The Ben Buckle kit is HERE
I notice they show an oiler in front, no worries an electric equivalent is easily fitted. I've had several B B kits, they're all good with good instructions.
Notice how much care is taken to lighten the rear end and that the wing is flat, this plane will fly well.

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09 Jan 2022 10:59 #7 by Quorneng
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Welcome
I appreciate the desire to build but there is an argument for a beginner to separate the "building" bit from the "learning to fly" bit. It takes time and practise to acquire the eye hand coordination skills to fly RC.
If you join a club and learn to fly with an instructor using a buddy transmitter system he will guide you through the learning process and can take over if & when things go wrong but if you are learning alone you will have "unwanted contact with the ground" a good few times with the disappointment that results.
In this situation there is a lot to be said for learning to fly with a "ready to fly" RC foam trainer. They are more robust and easier to repair than a balsa 'built up' structure and It will for certain be able to fly properly.
Apart from any budget restraint there is nothing stopping you building a plane whilst you learn to fly on something else.
Just saying.
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09 Jan 2022 12:34 #8 by Ward
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Many thanks for your reply and the replies kindly given by all others in this thread. Its really useful to hear your views which i know will be experience based. I have put an enquiry in to Ben Buckle vintage kits to see if they are still producing the super 60 in kit form. I would be fine with plan building from scratch as i have a fair bit of experience modelling structures/scaling with my day to day work. My real dream would be to design a craft, draw it up, build it, fly it and bring it home whole! we can all dream.
I am in West Cornwall and have contacts for 2 local clubs and will definitely progress down that route.
also i am really enjoying this forum and its content - some of it puts a real smile on my face.
Thanks all again.

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09 Jan 2022 12:45 #9 by Ward
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Thank you Paul,
Yes, I would be very interested if you have one. If its a printable electronic copy of the plan, are they easy to scale up for building off a full size plan? If its dimensioned, I could draw it up myself assuming the copyright bit is all ok.

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09 Jan 2022 13:47 #10 by paul d
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It's the full size keil Kraft plan, pm me if interested.

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09 Jan 2022 16:43 #11 by Klipkopwildlife
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West Cornwall huh, I claim Bude as my spiritual home, it was and still is the home of my mothers side of the family (Currie) I spent most of my formative years there.

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09 Jan 2022 17:40 #12 by Ward
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You're a long way from home Broer.
Bude is a nice spot - about 60 miles east of me. You wouldn't believe how busy Cornwall gets nowadays.

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10 Jan 2022 07:44 #13 by Klipkopwildlife
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I would believe, I used to go back every year while my mother was still alive.
There should be plenty of slope soaring where you are, a Super 60 with a lump of church roof up front should do well.

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10 Jan 2022 11:38 #14 by Rich griff
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Hi ward...since you live in Cornwall a suitable slope will not be far away, so why not think slope soarer for learning to fly again.

Even a simple easy to make ( or cheap to buy ) glider/soarer will teach you a lot.

With preparation ( prop the dipping wing with the stick ) you could teach your self ( in a suitable wind/slope, flight time is down to battery and how cold you
get ) be y it's better to have an instructor.

An electric foamy 5 minuet wonder trainer do es not give enough stick time in my view.

A glider can be motorised electric or IC, 3 channel, for no lift at the slope days.

Leaping into 4 channel straight away may be toooo much, at the begining......

Super sixty, large lightish and a good flier...
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10 Jan 2022 19:17 #15 by Ward
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Hi Rich,
I will look into the powered glider option - hadn't really considered it until now.
I have managed to get a plan for a Super sixty from Paul D on this forum so will commence build with that to keep me occupied in the evenings.
if I went down the powered glider route with electric power, what span, model would you think may make a good starter? I would want to build it rather than go down the ready to fly route and would prefer covered balsa frame and wings. Kit or scratch built - don't really mind.

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