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The wing-tip-to-ground issue always made me wonder about all those models with the wing bolted rather than banded.
I have wondered how tight bands should be. Over tight tends to mark the foam even with protectors in place. I often pick up those bigger bands left by the postman in the street. Only trouble with those is they seem to have a short half-life and go brittle after a few months. And not tight enough and the wing drifts away from its ideal location.
A few times I resorted to using a bit of roughed up bike inner tube to act as a friction pad to help a banded wing keep from drifting. Or designing the fuse to have a cut-out for the wing to rest in - still allowing emergency movement. The down side is that it takes away the option to shift the wing forwards or backwards a few mm to test for a better location.
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For a low-time student, as many bands as you can get on, as tight as you can get them, so the wing cannot move during the probable wild gyrations and 25G pull-ups!
For an initial test-glide with lightweight construction, just enough to hold the wing in place when you gently bounce it by the wings, so a 'chinese' arrival will knock the wing off without breaking anything.
Modern elastic bands are rubbish. I use big heavy ones on the Phoenix trainer, and I might get two weekends out of them before they start to fail. I had one fail in between flights, the other week. The model was on the ground, and I was sitting under my sunbrella, when I heard a rattling noise. When I looked, one of the six 1cm x 20cm bands (unstretched length) had let go.
The white silicon? ones are worse. after a couple of stretches, they wrinkle up and then snap.
Once the flier is competent, and the model is trimmed and good, wing bolts are better, because they are more positive in location, but not forgiving if the ground jumps up and hits the model!
Whatever bands you use, ultra-violet (sunlight) degrades them rapidly.
if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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Nylon securing screws work really well, and break if you over do it.
Do it now, you may never get another chance
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Only one band holing the wing on as it ain't going to fly - its raining!
I have increased the incidence by adding 2mm permanent packing under the leading edge of the wing.
The other concern is the very low pitch of its 11x3.8 SF prop. Loads of thrust but I fear it will fall away quite quickly if the plane flies at all fast.
By comparison the 13% lighter Big Dragon 2 managed very well with a 10x3.8 SF prop. It uses a slightly less powerful motor.
At the same time as I crashed the Big Dragon two says ago I did fly the super light Depron DH Sea Vixen.
It uses a pair of the early version AEO 40mm EDFs which use very high kV motors that are only rated for 2s so it uses a 2200 mAh 2s. Most definitely not a normal battery for a twin EDF. It flies pretty well but with the EDFs mounted right at the tail pipe it does make some serious noise.
The full size was not noted for being quiet either.
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I forget the exact words I used, but in my book "Sea Story" (cheeky plug) I described it along the lines of -
screeeeEEEEEWHUMPBZZZZzzzzz
as the arrester wire spooled out.
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This change brings it into line with the V tail on Big Dragon 2. As both the wing and tail plane are the same size on both it seemed logical to make the V the same particularly as 2 flies so well.
Could be sunny with quite gentle winds tomorrow if the forecast is right so maybe I will try again..
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I found two on Thingyverse neither are 11" so they have to be scaled up in CURA.
Top in the picture is an E prop. Below is a SF thin type..
The E prop was printed flat on the bed which means hours of sanding as the support leaves marks all over blade undersides. The E prop was printed on edge so only the blade lower edges were effected by the support structure. Both props took over 2 hours to print and have been sprayed Peugeot metallic blue.
I have tried the E prop and it is horridly inefficient producing less than half the thrust of the commercial 11x3.8. In fact it was this test that persuaded me to print the SF prop. Not yet tested as the paint is still wet!. It is supposed to have a pitch of 4.5 but by eye it looks at least as fine as the commercial 3.8. I scaled x,y and Z by the same factor so the pitch will remain the same, shouldn't it?
Could be next week before the commercial 11x6 E prop arrives.
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I have printed another 11x4.5 SF but this time got clever to keep the hub thin enough to fit the prop adapter.
Just finished the print.
The "as printed" finish on the blades is quite good.
Still need some "tidy up" particularly on the leading and trailing edges.
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I know that TPU is difficult to break (but generally less elastic), anyone tried printing a band?
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Compared to the printed props it is a whole lot stiffer!
I have run and measured it at full power with the 4000mAh 3s fully charged.
It draws 28A giving 333W. I was not worried about the prop some much as the strength of the printed motor mount but it all passed OK.
As the Big Dragon 3 weighs 30oz that gives177W/lb. Should be good for "vertical" or very close to it.
I fear the 2826 is rather over propped by the 11x7 as just a 9x6 is recommended on 3s! However full power is likely to be used only in burst of no more than 10 seconds. The rest of the time it will be running at much reduced power or even gliding. In addition the motor is pretty well 'stuck out in the open' for good cooling.
May have to wait for the remenents of hurricane Ernesto to pass before it will be calm enough for a re maiden.
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