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07 Nov 2011 23:06 #1 by Dean M
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Hi all,
At the minute i fly just i.c but i was wondering about having a go at an electric model or two, I have read many things on the internet about lipos, esc and motors but i find it all so confusing :S :unsure:
First off I have got a GT Power V5 charger that I use to charge my Rx battries apparently it can charge lipos and balance charging or something!!!
This is the spec of it:

Operating voltage range: 10.0-18.0 Volt
Circuit power: Max 50W
Charge current range: 0.1-5.0A
Current drain for balancing Li-Po: 200mAh/cell
NiCd/NiMH battery cell count: 1-14 cells
Li-ion/Polymer battery cell count: 1-5 series
Pb battery voltage: 2-12V
Net weight: 280g
Dimensions: 130×80×23mm

Is this sutible for charging/balencing lipos? if so is there a limit on what lipos it can do?

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07 Nov 2011 23:21 #2 by Klipkopwildlife
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That charger is going to serve you very well Dean.

Do it now, you may never get another chance
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07 Nov 2011 23:25 #3 by Garry Pollard
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No prob with that charger Dean, you will find it will stop charging when the lipo is full. It is one of the better chargers

Welcome to the world of electric flying

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07 Nov 2011 23:41 - 07 Nov 2011 23:41 #4 by Dean M
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So am I right in thinking it would charge, for example a 4s 2000 mah lipo?

Oh and what is the difference between balance charging and normal charging?

Sorry for the stupid questions!!:blush:

(i keep telling myself there are no stupid questions just stupid people, or something like that :lol: )

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08 Nov 2011 00:28 #5 by Ex-Member
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its all greek to me as well, but you will get there.
yes that will charge a 4s lipo.
i balance charge all my lipo's.

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08 Nov 2011 01:00 #6 by admin
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I'm pretty new to all this Dean, I'm just the Admin but i think balance charge is making sure all the lipos are at the same voltage.

a 4s lipo is made up of 4 cells.
its possible the cells could become unbalanced and have a varying voltage each.
The charger for example would find cell one full, switch off the charge to that cell, but continue with the other 3.

Correct me if i am wrong guys.

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08 Nov 2011 02:16 #7 by Garry Pollard
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Hi

Yes the charger will cope with the lipo you suggest.

The info that Mike (Admin) has given you, is quite correct.

The reason we balance charge is so the charger can constantly monitor the individual cells and keep them balanced. If you just charge the whole pack, without balancing , should one cell get to full, the charger will switch off and may leave the other 3 cells not fully charged, hence not a fully charged lipo.

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08 Nov 2011 06:46 #8 by The Beard
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Whats the silly question Garry.Hi Dean its fairly straight forward once you know the people to ask.Most reputable model shops will help but some will saell you over the top power systems,BRC are goodbut there prices have risen over the last 12 months or so .I always use Galaxy of Ipswich they have always looked after me well.

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08 Nov 2011 16:56 #9 by Klipkopwildlife
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From a technical point of view, if you were to charge without balancing, you could have 3 cells at 3.7volts and one at 3.4v. If your LVC, low voltage cutoff in the ESC is set to say 3.0volts per cell, the ESC will shut the motor down at 12.0volts. You started with 14.5volts, so you've dropped a total of 2.5volts, each cell has dropped .625volts. You now have 3 at 3.075volts and one at 2.775volts, well below the damage threshold, goodbye expensive Lipo!:angry:

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08 Nov 2011 17:00 #10 by The Beard
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Having said all of this I did have 1 lipo thats balance plug was smashed in a crash.Carried on using it and charging without a problem.Why is it Tony that 1 cell may charge lower than the rest is this on an aging lipo battery

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08 Nov 2011 18:39 #11 by Klipkopwildlife
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Getting a bit technical now Stephen, but the short answer is that you cannot build cells that have identical internal resistances, (we're talking micro-ohms here, Millionths of an Ohm) this means that the one with the least resistance will tend to give slighly more current (and therefore charge) than the others. Of course if you never take your Lipos down close to LVC, or your LVC is very conservative then in theory Balance charging is not strictly necessary.

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09 Nov 2011 02:23 #12 by Dean M
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Thanks for the explanations, i now understand about balance charging :)
And 3s = 3 cells, 4s = 4 cells etc. is that correct?

Now for another one, in simple terms (cause i am a simple guy :lol: ) what does the different mah rating on a lipo mean? Am i correct in thinking a higher mah rating means a longer flight time??

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09 Nov 2011 02:31 #13 by Garry Pollard
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Hi Dean

The answer to both your questions are yes

You are getting there!!

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09 Nov 2011 02:36 - 09 Nov 2011 02:37 #14 by Dean M
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What a clever boy i am!!!!

standby..................More questions to follow.


Thanks Dean (Electrical expert :P )

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09 Nov 2011 04:28 #15 by Ex-Member
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deans plug. :P

you ask the questions and i will learn something for a change.:cheer:

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