SR71 BUILD - The Blackbird.

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22 Nov 2012 13:03 #241 by Klipkopwildlife
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Hmm, those cheater holes look like they're going to pull the CoG forward as well. Any chance you can do the maiden without the inlet cones?

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22 Nov 2012 23:59 #242 by THE BLACKBIRD
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The cheater holes are about centre of the C/G , but the fans do suck a lot of air in, i will try it with the cones in first i think from here on in it's suck it and see
And it's bloody raining here so no flying for about a week on the salt lake takes that long to dry out enough, mind you the rain makes the surface very smooth ideal for the SR
Fitted circlip springs to retain the fins on today so its ready to fly at last :P :P :P :P

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23 Nov 2012 14:57 #243 by Klipkopwildlife
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The problem with EDF is that the angle of attack of the fans is so huge they're partially stalled, once the aircraft is moving, frontal air pressure speeds up the flow through the fan, this decreases the stall and allows the fan to get 'on the step' so to speak. Those cheater holes will not allow this. Question is there any airflow going in from around the cones?

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23 Nov 2012 16:45 #244 by THE BLACKBIRD
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Yes the is a little air going in around the cones but the most i could get was a 1/4"gap all the way round so not much
We shall see when i get a chance with the weather its dry today up to yet but windy still it helps to dry out the salt lake fingers crossed

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23 Nov 2012 23:34 #245 by Klipkopwildlife
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That may be enough to get them working. You'll at least get some axial air through.

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24 Nov 2012 07:14 - 24 Nov 2012 07:24 #246 by Quorneng
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I think you are asking a lot from those fans with the cones in place.

Unlike a turbo jet an EDF produces nearly half its thrust from the inlet side so any obstructions or bends in the inlet path are almost as detrimental as they would be on the outlet.
Just imagine what the effect the cone and cheat hole would have on the thrust if they were in the down stream part of the duct.

The full size SR manages with the cones because the inlet volume is only about 1/6 that of the exhaust and even then at take off speed it has a significant number of inlet relief doors to let more in.

If you know the claimed thrust of one of your Lander fans on 6s it might be interesting to hold the SR back with a spring balance to see how much static thrust you actually have, hopefully it would be getting on for 75% of its total weight.
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24 Nov 2012 15:45 #247 by THE BLACKBIRD
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The static thrust on the ground when i tested it was 13.7 Kg with the cones in place and that was on 12s hooked up to my digital fishing scales :P :P

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24 Nov 2012 16:28 #248 by The Beard
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Theoretically how much thrust should you need BB

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24 Nov 2012 17:03 #249 by old fart
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Quorneng wrote: BB
I think you are asking a lot from those fans with the cones in place.

Unlike a turbo jet an EDF produces nearly half its thrust from the inlet side so any obstructions or bends in the inlet path are almost as detrimental as they would be on the outlet.


I have had no experience with DF of any type but I always thought that with DF whatever comes out of the tailpipe must have went into the inlet first, afterall, you cant create something from nothing.

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24 Nov 2012 17:10 #250 by The Beard
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Have you tested without the cones

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24 Nov 2012 20:48 - 24 Nov 2012 20:49 #251 by THE BLACKBIRD
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I have not tried it without the cones but at 25Lbs weight and 13Kg thrust in my total ignorance of these things it should work if i can get the nose up :silly: :silly: :P
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24 Nov 2012 21:34 #252 by Klipkopwildlife
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It should in theory go vertical with that thrust!

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24 Nov 2012 23:50 #253 by Phil Wood
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Klipkopwildlife wrote: It should in theory go vertical with that thrust!

28.66lbs thrust on a 25lb model ..... It may not be enough to hold vertical speed due to drag losses .... but it's at least got enough thrust to prop hang ... if it had a prop. :lol:
I would imagine that going into a vertical climb at speed .... it should have enough inertia to carry itself a long way up. :woohoo:

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25 Nov 2012 01:27 #254 by THE BLACKBIRD
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LETS HOPE
The SR 71 is loaded in the carrier box and sitting on top of the car ready for the morning, went this morning and it was suprisingly quite dry and very smooth. :unsure: :silly: ;) :P
And the Sprint is inside the car so it should be a good couple of hours, i dont stay long on Sundays as Natalia is at home.
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25 Nov 2012 06:10 #255 by Quorneng
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Hope it works this time.

If it does I expect it will need an awful lot of sky!

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