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18 Jun 2019 16:15 #1 by crash happy
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It is extremely hot & humid here today. So after cutting my daughters hedge, recovering from heat stroke & taking a cold shower, I took to the relative cool of Area 51 to mess about with an idea that's been kicking about in my head for a while.
The principle is quite simple (KISS). Take a container, stick a tube from the bottom into the airflow, fill with talcum powder & let gravity do the rest :) Okay it's not quite that simple but you get the idea. I knocked up a prototype using an old plastic tooth pick container, a 90 degree bend ( to restrict the flow )from an old chainsaw oil pump & a piece of plastic tube. The container fits nicely into fuz close to the CG. Then fed the tube down & out the front of the battery compartment. Fired it up( with the wing off ) & moved it about to simulate flying whilst increasing throttle, & bugger me if it doesn't work, all be it sporadic. The idea now is to try different tube sizes to get the flow right. Ideally I would like to add a small ball valve connected to servo & control the flow through that. I have no idea where to find one, so if anyone has any ideas feel free. :)
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18 Jun 2019 17:17 - 18 Jun 2019 17:18 #2 by Ralpharr2001
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Great idea, Genius!
I could fit that on the Lanc so when the engines start up, they are sequenced on the transmitter, you get the exhaust smoke before it runs!! [badass] [badass]

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18 Jun 2019 17:19 #3 by Eric
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Having seen the photo of the set-up, I'd seriously consider rearranging the receiver antenna!
It is obviously a park-fly receiver, with only one stubby antenna, and you have put a large radio-wave blocking substance right next to it! (and probably a big battery right in front of it!)
Talc is a form of rock, and rocks do not pass radio waves!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talc

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18 Jun 2019 17:55 - 18 Jun 2019 18:09 #4 by crash happy
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The receiver has two antennas, you can see the other one on the side going towards the tail. It is supposed to be full range. The battery compartment is in the bottom, well out the way, but I take your point ! :)
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18 Jun 2019 18:31 #5 by Klipkopwildlife
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With vibration the talc will tend to pack down and become a solid mass. In the real world Corn flour silos have compressed air 'bangers' on the side which are needed to release the flour, otherwise it just doesn't run! I've a feeling they have to do the same thing with cement.

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18 Jun 2019 18:38 - 18 Jun 2019 18:57 #6 by crash happy
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You obviously haven't seen me fly ! I don't think it will get chance to compact as half the time it will be on it's side or inverted, not necessarily by choice ! :woohoo: [badass]
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18 Jun 2019 19:30 #7 by Eric
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Ah - that wire emerging from the side of the rx is an antenna! :oops:
I've not seen that arrangement before - all mine have both at the same end!

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18 Jun 2019 19:31 #8 by Quorneng
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Now if you took the talc pipe up to both hollow dummy exhausts........

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18 Jun 2019 19:48 #9 by crash happy
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It would need a very small amount of talk if you only want smoke on startup. Perhaps a small oblong box with a lid on the inside of the nacelles connected to the exhaust stubs. Depends on access of course.

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18 Jun 2019 22:42 - 18 Jun 2019 22:46 #10 by Ralpharr2001
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Guys you're teasing me now! :P Its certainly doable...............

Only a small amount would be required for start up. a small pot inside each nacelle feeding each exhaust stack. Remember the battery for each motor is inside the nacelle so I have to take the top off to install the battery. I could 3D print a pot that sat up in the nacelle cover. Fill them up each time I went flying.

Not that i've given this much thought..........

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19 Jun 2019 10:35 #11 by Klipkopwildlife
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Somehow you need to generate a vacuum around the rear of the exhaust stacks. If you are using standard Merlin stacks, (6 per side) you could 3D print them with an open hopper that goes on the inside of the nacelle on each side, put a small amount of talc in each one when you rig, provided you have a small air hole in the hopper cover, when you start a puff of 'smoke' should be drawn out of each exhaust pipe.

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19 Jun 2019 12:58 #12 by Ralpharr2001
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Absolutely agree Klippy.

However, even better on the Dambusters Lanc they had an exhaust shroud covering the stacks. By putting the outlet tube in the end where there is low pressure should suck the talc out into the air stream. You can see the shroud in the picture.


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19 Jun 2019 13:01 #13 by Quorneng
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You could always re-engine with 2 strokes. They smoke all the time!;) ;)

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19 Jun 2019 15:21 #14 by Ralpharr2001
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Wash your mouth out with soap Q. What a horrible thought. I gave up the oil burners years ago. All that oily mess down the fuselage and wings. At least with electric the electrons are easy to remove! :lol: :lol:

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19 Jun 2019 15:44 #15 by THE BLACKBIRD
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I watched a 4 engined bomber fly past with electric power
Sounded awful
So quiet

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