edf funfly

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15 Nov 2012 05:16 #1 by Ex-Member
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I need some input for the design of this one as edf's are new territory for me.

regarding thrust tube lengths and intake sizes.

i am thinking of intakes in the wing leading edges and a single exhaust out of the rear of the fuselage.

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15 Nov 2012 06:03 #2 by The Beard
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Do you have a picture in mind as to what you want it to look like maybe a Meteor

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15 Nov 2012 15:03 #3 by Ex-Member
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something like this, but in more of the funfly style.

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15 Nov 2012 15:07 #4 by old fart
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Tony B. AKA Blooper wrote: I need some input for the design of this one as edf's are new territory for me.

regarding thrust tube lengths and intake sizes.

i am thinking of intakes in the wing leading edges and a single exhaust out of the rear of the fuselage.


It needs to be about 70 or so inches wingspan and capable of handling a turbine. :silly:

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15 Nov 2012 15:34 #5 by Ex-Member
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supply the turbine and i will do a 96" wingspan funfly to take it. :P

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15 Nov 2012 16:42 #6 by old fart
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I have three and a half turbines but none of them will fly a plane that size. :unsure:

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15 Nov 2012 16:51 #7 by Ex-Member
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ok 70" funfly then. :P :P :P

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16 Nov 2012 02:54 #8 by Eric
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Can't offer much, Tony, but you need to keep the inlet and tailpipe no smaller and no larger than the fan duct i/d. Keep the pipes as clean as possible, no protruberances, lumps or bumps.
Don't forget, you won't get much static thrust from a d/f, because the blades of the impeller are pretty well stalled. Once n the air, the thrust will come up, and the amps will go down, as the fan unloads.

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
Thanks: Ex-Member

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16 Nov 2012 05:39 #9 by Quorneng
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My advice is keep it light.
A ducted fan is only about half as efficient as a prop so to get any sort of endurance you need to carry a bigger battery but for the same total weight.

The other issue, as Eric pointed out, is that a ducted fan's propulsive efficiency rises with speed but of course so does the airframe drag but by the square!

I think you might have to significantly alter the Funfly aerodynamically to get it to go fast enough for the fan to see any benefit.

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16 Nov 2012 14:58 #10 by THE BLACKBIRD
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I have a Lander 68mm fan in my Lander F9 that i cannot get to fly, with a hand launch it just flops to the ground, so i built a dolly for itand gave it a possitive angle of attack and it still will not lift, this is on 3and 4S lipos, i know they fly and fly well but i cannot get this one to even get airborn :sick:
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16 Nov 2012 23:05 #11 by Ex-Member
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well i have cut the first former/wing brace for the edf.
thats a 75mm internal diameter edf in there.
the fuselage and wing will need a complete redesign to build this one.

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17 Nov 2012 00:40 #12 by Garry Pollard
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Good luck on this one Tony. You are a brave man.

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17 Nov 2012 16:19 #13 by The Beard
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Tony you obviously enjoy challenging yourself,I hope this is successful.

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17 Nov 2012 21:12 #14 by kamco kid
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I know absolutely nothing about ducted fans so can't offer anything constructive to this thread, but will be watching with interest.

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17 Nov 2012 22:55 #15 by Ex-Member
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Right have have an update shall we.

Basic wing frame is built and i am playing with the edf fitting location.

this is the front of the mount incorporating the wing brace along the twin spars.

Second support/mount and the tail end of the exhaust.
the exhaust will be planked from behind the unit to just proud of the rear former.


the l/e will be cut away and this is where the intakes will be made.

two triangular intakes either side of the fuselage giving about 40 sqcm total intake area.

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