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02 Jun 2015 11:34 #61 by Quorneng
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Barry
I would take inspiration from the FW190 and its fan cooled BMW 801.
Have you not got a huge out runner rotating just above the ESC?
You don't need a separate motor just put on some fan blades and a bit of ducting on the one you've got! ;)
With positive air flow across it the ESC it can be 'close' cowled so you don't need a huge amount of air and you could still use the exhausts - how about in one side and out the other? :P
It might be worth considering some positive airflow over the motor as well.

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02 Jun 2015 12:38 #62 by chookman
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That's the difficulty Q, finding a fan to fit onto the outrunner behind the prop and spinner

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02 Jun 2015 13:01 #63 by Eric
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Where you have the 'pencilled in' hole, cut that out, and build an AFT facing vent over it, to draw the air out. Fill in the one directly over (under!) the speedo heatsink.
You already have the inlet behind the spinner.

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02 Jun 2015 13:15 - 02 Jun 2015 13:17 #64 by chookman
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Eric so you are saying to fill in the exsisting hole and cut one out lower down( pencil marking ). ??? AFT??? i s that facing rearward opening??
What about the holes under the exhaust shrouds??? fill those in too???
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02 Jun 2015 17:17 #65 by Quorneng
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My idea would be to use the motor bell as the hub of the fan so it would not add any length to the motor assembly.
A centrifugal blower would work well in this situation something like this.

But then it is easy to draw a diagram! :P
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02 Jun 2015 18:00 #66 by Eric
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You can fill in, or leave, the holes under the fake exhaust shroud, but you have the idea I was trying to put over - get the air to flow over all of the esc before it escapes through the opening, with the duct facing aft to help draw the air through and out.
As you have the esc's mounted sideways (vanes across), a combination of Quorneng and my ideas would work best.

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06 Jun 2015 11:14 - 06 Jun 2015 11:21 #67 by chookman
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Here is the subject I will try to copy, the decals are all available from Pyrmid models...handy hey
setting up the wing to fuz incidence has been quite involved as the plan asks for all incidences to be at 0 deg, but getting there slowly.
You can see the battery acsses, it has a floor in it to sit the battery onto and tie down to, I still have to work out how to fasten the nose cone onto fuz yet..... :unsure:


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06 Jun 2015 11:46 #68 by Eric
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Nose-cone - - locating pegs and magnets?
No screws to drop in the grass, that way!

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06 Jun 2015 11:50 - 06 Jun 2015 11:54 #69 by chookman
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Yep Eric ... great choice..... now where did put those magnets I bought ( H/K) 5yrs back :S :blink: :woohoo: :blush:

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06 Jun 2015 12:20 #70 by Ex-Member
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I like the choice of scheme, C'man, it should really look the part when finished. I'm choosing the prototype colours for my FF version - all silver with RAF Roundels and black lettering.

A quick tip if you use magnets to hold hatches, cowlings etc onto models - tie whatever it is onto the model with a length of elastic or string. If it then comes off in the air or on the ground, you won't loose it. ;)

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06 Jun 2015 12:36 #71 by chookman
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Ahhh, another grand idea, methinks shiring elastic,.... thanks Andy

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06 Jun 2015 14:22 #72 by chookman
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Andy, I thought ya might like to know that the prototypes 6844 and 6845, outwardly, where not fitted with'acorns, first up, they added a small one to them and the first 6 productions ones, after a "tunnel test" they enlarged it, to be added to the rest of the aircraft built..... interesting hey
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06 Jun 2015 14:57 #73 by Ex-Member
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Thanks for all that C'man. Mine will be based on this picture:





I use the term 'based on' as the kit is not very accurate.... :dry: :dry:
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06 Jun 2015 17:10 #74 by chookman
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Nice choice..... no cannons to break off.....I'm opting to make my cannons "screw in " and only for static show
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06 Jun 2015 19:28 #75 by Eric
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On a piece of string - - yes Andy - BUT - that might be ideal for your small slow models, but for a fast-flying beast like a Whirly, I'd rather have it fall off than thrash about in the breeze, poking holes in important bits, and acting like a giant airbrake! Anyway, the airflow over the nose-cone will probably hold it in place.
Chook, for magnets, if you can't get them n Oz, try here - www.magnetexpert.co.uk/
All shapes and sizes, sensible prices, and well packed. What the p+p to Oz would be, I don't know, but they are usually in a small jiffy-bag.

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