1200mm Dragonfly

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03 Jan 2026 12:48 - 03 Jan 2026 12:57 #1 by Magpie
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I've been using my 3D printer recently to make various parts as I think I've posted before but now I've started to actually build my 1200mm span Dragonfly based on the Model Shop one.
outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=15454
I've scaled up the OZ drawing to give the 1200mm span & am doing the fuselage sides in the conventional manner in balsa on the plan but have printed out some spacers to make it more likely the 3D printed formers will fit.
I'll be sheeting the nose in 1.6mm balsa but intend to cover the rest with laminating film.
 

Has anybody tried this?



 
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04 Jan 2026 16:20 #2 by Klipkopwildlife
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Looks very fiddly to me.

Do it now, you may never get another chance
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04 Jan 2026 16:33 #3 by THE BLACKBIRD
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It would not stand a chance with my clumsy mitts 
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17 Jan 2026 12:44 #4 by Magpie
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I've got the front end built up ready to sheet but I'll wait until I've got the wings & tail done so I can work out the best place for the battery to go for balance although the middle section of the top of the nose lifts off so there's plenty of access.
After spending a whole day trying to do the windscreen I discovered the Lofting utility which apart from sometimes giving weird shapes generated a thin (2mm) shape which fits a treat. It needed alot of support on the printer which was fiddly to clean off.
The stringers on the nose give it alot of strength but I still intend to sheet it.
 
 
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17 Jan 2026 13:05 #5 by Eric
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I see you've put a python in for BB to strangle!   :-)

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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17 Jan 2026 13:48 #6 by Magpie
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I couldn't resist sneaking a joke in!
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24 Jan 2026 15:36 #7 by Magpie
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I've got the Vee-Tails built up.
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24 Jan 2026 15:39 - 24 Jan 2026 15:43 #8 by Magpie
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I've got the Vee-Tails built up.
The front former/dihedral brace isn't sitting level.

This is the calculations to size the V-tail from the conventional tail & fin.
theampeer.org/ampeer/ampapr23/v-tail-design.pdf
 
 

 
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24 Jan 2026 17:33 #9 by Quorneng
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I have not waded through ampeer's maths but the one thing I can say is that a V tail with the same total side area as a vertical fin does not behave the same. Even a V tail with each side of the V tail equal to the fin still behaves differently.
In my own design example despite its quite steeply inclined V tail it did not work well until I added quite substantial vertical fin "plates" at each end.
 
Only when they were fitted did the nasty nose drop "yaw" with any sort of bank become readily manageable.
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24 Jan 2026 18:03 - 24 Jan 2026 18:07 #10 by Eric
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I had a 'cheat' way of deciding the span and area of a Vee. Put the normal Tee-tail drawing on a flat surface, mount a strong light about half a wingspan above the tail of the fuselage, guesstimate the angle, then take a bit of sheet or stick wood, and slide it up at the angle until the shadow roughly matched the flat drawing.
or
for a totally new drawing, guess what a flat tail area looked right, then mark that, and do the angled stick thing again.
The aim is to get about 1/3 more area per side than the flat tail would have.
It sometimes looked a bit too big, but I didn't have any 'fishtail' models.

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25 Jan 2026 07:24 #11 by jon.in.swansea
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Looks like a nice bit of hybrid design (balsa & printed braces) on the tail. 
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25 Jan 2026 09:33 #12 by Klipkopwildlife
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Trial and error has shown that 110degrees is the best included angle for a 'V' tail

Do it now, you may never get another chance
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25 Jan 2026 10:47 #13 by Janine
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How did you guys learn to build planes like this. I always cut myself every time I use a junior hacksaw or a stanley knife. I am good on a sewing machine though but even then sometimes I get an injury.
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25 Jan 2026 11:55 #14 by Quorneng
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Jannine
You have to excuse us as most on this forum have been doing model planes for a very long time and in many cases not only planes! Some of us have even done some full size as well.
So the "how" we learned is just by "being around" with quite a bit of "trial and error" along the way. Obviously following a web site like this and asking questions helps too. A benefit we did not have pre internet!

Don't get me started on sewing machines!
I bought a vintage "folding" 15K Singer treadle machine at a car boot. Restored it to working condition. 35 years on it now sits, still in full working order, as our hall table. It also amazed quite a few kids (mostly lads!) at my son's junior school "open day" by allowing them to have a go at sewing up a little pouch.
It did not end there as I now have a collection of 13 vintage sewing machines!
One of them is even my mother's hand crank Singer that was a wedding gift. An important item for a young couple starting out in 1931. How times have changed.
 
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25 Jan 2026 12:33 #15 by Magpie
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I can't remember exactly when I started building balsa models (my short-term memory loss goes back a long way) but it must be about 66 years ago.
Here's me at my 78th birthday party yesterday. My wife has a photo from 3 years ago & she says I'm wearing the same clothes. Some things don't change!
 

 
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