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25 Jan 2026 18:00 #16 by Eric
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I started at some time around 1956 - when the town's newsagen began selling little four piece balsa chuck-gliders that you had to slot in the tailplane, fin, and wing, then fiddle about with a little lead weight that clipped on, to get the balance right A bit later, I advanced onto similarly constructed rubber powered models, called Sleek Streek (the trivia that we remember!) for about 1 shilling and six pence. (about 12p now!). That taught me about trim, balance, and thermals! Several of us used to fly these little toys in a disused sand-pit at the end of the street. I now know it was an excellent sun trap, and that hot air rises! (taking your little balsa model with it!) We chased those little things al over the estate, hunting in front and back gardens, looking where they had got to!

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28 Jan 2026 11:17 - 28 Jan 2026 11:20 #17 by Magpie
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I ordered some 4.3g servos from Aliexpress nine days ago but yesterdayI got an email saying the order had been cancelled due to a "delivery issue".
So I went on the site this morning & ordered replacements. Why didn't they just send some out? They have 35 days allowed for delivery.
The originals cost £14.09, the replacements £11.76 (same supplier) - should I complain?

I've just noticed the "Report This!" button. Its amazing what you don't see until someone points it out!
 
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29 Jan 2026 11:17 #18 by Magpie
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This is a cradle for the wing which sits on top of the fuselage. The front has a tab that goes under the blue nacelle & the back is held down by the nylon screws.
At the moment it is screwed together but eventualy the dihedral braces will be all glued.
 
 
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29 Jan 2026 13:46 #19 by Eric
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I posted a reply that seems t have vanished!
I put - - I'd make the braces longer AND tapered, to form a triangle box. That would spread out the load stresses, rather than concentrate them in one place.

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29 Jan 2026 15:04 #20 by Magpie
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Do you mean like this?
 
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29 Jan 2026 15:33 - 29 Jan 2026 16:02 #21 by Magpie
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My next problem is the hinges for the ailerons.
The wing (scaled from the original) has a root chord of 190mm & tapers down to 64mm at the tip.
The top also tapers down from 22mm to 5mm at the tip.
This means that the aileron must be hinged underneath which gives a gap (to allow for it to hinge up) on top.
Instead, if I tapered the bottom of the wing up to the top I could put the hinges on top.

Now, Ive been re-thinking about it while posting this...
When building the wing if I tilted the ribs by the taper angle at the ailerons  so they would be at right angles to the top spar & would hinge correctly with the hinges on top?

Will this work?
 
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29 Jan 2026 16:21 - 29 Jan 2026 16:24 #22 by Eric
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No, matey!
You do like trying to re-invent the wheel!
Ailerons - TOP-hinge, always - so the fast-moving air over the top isn't disturbed.
For a Flap, you can have a bottom hinge, because in the raised position, you have clean air over the top, but when lowered you get turbulence, which equals drag, over the gap, and you want the drag to slow the wing down!

For your wing-joiner, you have got the taper the wrong way, although you can reduce the thickness as well, if you wish. 
BUT you need to avoid vertical stress-lines that all line up, because that becomes a weak point where the structure will fail.

 
 

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30 Jan 2026 11:56 - 30 Jan 2026 11:58 #23 by Magpie
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I intended to do it top-hinged but with the taper in the wing thickness I thought that would mean the ends of the ailerons would foul as the aileron moved up, like a badly hung door. So thats why I've been looking at the best way to do it.
I'll have to make a little trial wing so I can see what happens.

The horizontal taper on the front dihedral brace is to match the rake on the leading edge of the wing.
I understand the reason of the vertical rake on a cantilever but I also wanted to maximise the area for the glueing.

The dihedral brace, part B on the original OZ15454 is square ended. I am also trying to follow the design of the centre section as I think it is a major feature of the model.
 

 
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30 Jan 2026 12:32 - 30 Jan 2026 12:34 #24 by Eric
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One of my self-imposed rules when building  (especially old) kits is to NOT blindly follow the same mistakes the original designer made!  
I llok at the drawing, and if I see something that looks a bit 'off', I think -"How would I do that?". or "What was it trying to achieve?"

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30 Jan 2026 13:03 #25 by Magpie
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Fair comment, but here's three links to article on The Model Shop Newcastle.
I bought my stuff at Blenheim street in the 1960s.
The trade name was Keelbild, a reference to the Keelboats that were used to load coal onto ships on the Tyne.

discoveringheritage.com/charles-henry-lu...-family-of-aviators/
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/lifestyle/nostal...l-shopkeeper-1461990
i2-prod.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/art...-model-601079612.jpg
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30 Jan 2026 16:17 #26 by Eric
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Round here, they used Mersey Flats for transport.

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03 Feb 2026 09:25 - 03 Feb 2026 09:33 #27 by Magpie
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Does the Dragonfly need dihedral?
The original free-flight rubber model has 7.6 degrees of dihedral.
Do I need this much or any at all?

forums.modelflying.co.uk/index.php?/topic/45759-dihedral/

There is 2.7 degrees rake on the leading edge.
 
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03 Feb 2026 11:12 #28 by Klipkopwildlife
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FF models always had way too much dihedral to ensure stability and a fast return to level flight, a beginner should have some, say 3 degrees but most aerobats have none at all, the roll axis has to be controlled all the time, I'm told it's something you get used to, I haven't yet.

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03 Feb 2026 11:14 #29 by Klipkopwildlife
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Having re-read the above, a high wing model needs very little at all.

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03 Feb 2026 14:14 #30 by Eric
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Rake and Dihedral are different things.
Dihedral is the amount the wing-tips are raised above the section at the root, with the root on a flat surface - when looking from the front or side..
Rake - can also be called sweep, Looking in the plan view (from above) is the amount the leading edge is swept forwards or back with reference to the root ribs.
You can have Rake (or sweep) with NO dihedral (there are other aerodynamic considerations too) and you can have Dihedral with no rake.

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