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03 Feb 2026 14:19 #31 by Magpie
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Do Dihedral & Rake not BOTH affect roll stability?
So if I have some rake does this not affect how much dihedral I need?
Thats why I mentioned it.

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03 Feb 2026 22:15 #32 by Quorneng
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I am not sure of the problem with top hinged ailerons on a tapered wing.
My Airbus A350 has a highly tapered (& swept) wing
This gives an idea of its big difference between root and tip.
 
 Nevertheless its ailerons are top tape hinged.
 
Of course the aileron has to be tapered to match the wing.
Am I missing something?

Wing sweep can increase roll stability which is why some transport jets with high wings and big fuselages have a some negative dihedral to limit the stability and also to improve the handling characteristics. 
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03 Feb 2026 22:19 #33 by Janine
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I learned today that the wing tips tilted up at the end increase air efficiency and in jumbo jets fuel efficiency. You're turning me into a nerd on this site :-)
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03 Feb 2026 22:33 #34 by Quorneng
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To be fair designing up turned tips is complex as the aerodynamic advantage to the wing has to be balanced against the extra drag the extra tip causes. In practise the advantage is very small so it only make a significant difference to long distance airliner flights where keeping up the speed and saving any fuel is worth the trouble.
I notice on the latest Easy Jet 737s make use of the tip by painting "EASY JET" in big letter on the inside of the vertical surface just to remind any passenger looking out of the window who is flying them.

Don't worry about being a nerd I have been a "fact nerd" for a very long time!
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04 Feb 2026 08:24 - 04 Feb 2026 08:26 #35 by Magpie
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I'm going to go for 4 degrees, maybe a little high but it means if I'm panicing it means I can take my thumbs off the sticks & cross my fingers.

I'm going to hand-cut the ribs.
I'm still mulling over getting a laser cutter.
 
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04 Feb 2026 09:35 #36 by Klipkopwildlife
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If it's being sold as a laser cutter, and probably is given that it has a honey comb table, we can assume that the laser can focus at short range, thus eliminating the problem that I have. I have mirrors and am looking at sending the laser up 300mm across enough to clear the laser body and back down again the the object to be cut, the problem is going to be rigidity since the laser that I have does not seem to have an adjustable power output. So depth of cut has to be controlled by speed.

Do it now, you may never get another chance
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04 Feb 2026 11:01 #37 by Magpie
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I don't think it includes a honeycomb table, buying from Aliexpress is definitely Caveat Emptor.
It uses small spacers to set the height above the material. There's a review on Youtube where he does a matrix of power/speed tests.
At 300mm distance vibration from walking across the floor might upset it.
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12 Feb 2026 15:46 #38 by Magpie
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I've ordered the Atomstack 10W laser cutter. The next problem will be where to use it. In the garage will it set off the smoke alarm?

While I had the 4.3g servos I printed holders for mounting them in the tail.
 
 
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13 Feb 2026 05:46 #39 by jon.in.swansea
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Nicely done servo holders.  And that weight at the tail - what are you using to compensate for that in terms of COG?
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13 Feb 2026 06:55 - 13 Feb 2026 07:00 #40 by Eric
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I thought that - too. Those mounts must weigh nearly as much as the servos!
Have you got a jeweler's scale, for weighing small items?  Look on ebay for - Digital Scales 0.1g 500g Grams Jewellery Gold Weighing Mini Pocket Electronic

 

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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13 Feb 2026 10:48 - 13 Feb 2026 10:53 #41 by Magpie
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In Cura the weight of the holder came out at 4g, on my scales it weighs 3.2g.
I tweeked the design & on Cura it came out as 3g, on my scales it weighs 2.65g.
I could reduce the length from 20mm to 15mm, on Cura this gives a saving of 1g.
The balsa servo holder for my Buzzard weighs 2.7g.

The 4.3g servo weighs 5g.
The weight of my uncovered tail is 37g.

I've got a nice long nose to hold the battery which should balance it out a bit.
 

 
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13 Feb 2026 12:17 #42 by Magpie
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For all you anorexics out there my servo holder now comes in at 2.0g. on Cura & 2.15g. on my scales.
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13 Feb 2026 12:21 #43 by Eric
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Don't forget it is not just the weight - think of levers and fulcrums. (The fulcrum is the c of g, and the lever is the length of the tail.)

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13 Feb 2026 13:11 #44 by Magpie
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Two servo holders work oot at aboot 20,000 g.mm.
The battery works oot aboot 36,000 g.mm.

The uncovered tail itself is aboot 15,000 g.mm.
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13 Feb 2026 18:32 #45 by Quorneng
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I know I am a bit reactionary buy why use a servo holder?
I just glue them in. 
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