FPV Request from one of our younger members.

Thanks Beard! Thats a nice model, I have seen one of them before, I can't remember what it is called but it looks smart!

This is the model I was looking at and was suggested by an FPV guy



I'm hoping to get it to this standard at somepoint, I think I may invest in second hand HD gear rather than buying new stand definition gear.....



thanks

Hi Tom the Easistar must have had a more powerful motor fitted because it starts life with a Brushed 400.The model Ive shown you is specifically made for the job but isnt that easy to fly,so the one youve shown is probably better.I met someone who was well into it but wasnt going about it correctly and lost his modelHe had a spotter who said he could see the model approaching so he landed through the goggles.Unfortunately the plane his spotter had was a real plane so he didnt know where he had landed.He found it about a week later,.He could see it on a hedge from the road and retrieved it/.

The Beard wrote: Hi Tom the Easistar must have had a more powerful motor fitted because it starts life with a Brushed 400.The model Ive shown you is specifically made for the job but isnt that easy to fly,so the one youve shown is probably better.I met someone who was well into it but wasnt going about it correctly and lost his modelHe had a spotter who said he could see the model approaching so he landed through the goggles.Unfortunately the plane his spotter had was a real plane so he didnt know where he had landed.He found it about a week later,.He could see it on a hedge from the road and retrieved it/.

That was lucky that he found it then... could have been an expensive loss! we all learn from our mistakes i guess

You have to say Rowan Atkinson has a very entertaining face.

To each their own sense of humour. He did nothing for me, except make me reach for the off-switch.

And that's going off topic.

:ohmy: :sick: :silly: :woohoo: :side: :S :whistle: :pinch: what am I doing,pretending to be Rowan Atkinson thats what.Quickly returning on topic as Eric switches off,When I next see my collegue with the FPV at the field I will write down the information he told me and promptly forgot.

Tom T wrote: I agree with you about the CAA, I was looking at that..... Between you, me and a barge pole I don't think they like Modellers aha. You can't have fun in this world..... as long as I keep below 400ft in a fly zone area (that means no low cloud turbulence then) and I hold insurance they can't do anything about it.... although this is BMFAs policy... it doesn't look to good!

BMFA Insurance policy but ONLY where the following conditions are applied:

The activity is solely for sport and recreation purposes.
Two pilots must take part
A buddy box system must be employed
The pilot in charge must operate the master transmitter
The pilot in charge must not wear the headset or view a screen
The aircraft remains within the natural unaided visual range of the pilot in charge
Reliable operation of the Buddy Box is established
A clear handover protocol is established
The pilot in charge is solely responsible for the safety of the flight

With the publication by the CAA of the new exemption the BMFA policy for FPV flying has changed with regards to the use of a buddy lead, for models below 1.8kg fixed wing and 2.5kg rotorcraft a buddy lead is no longer required, subject to the conditions laid down in the exemption. i.e. max 400ft, a competent spotter, not flying over congested areas etc etc.

If you want to fly over 400ft or an aircraft above the specified weights a buddy lead must still be used.

The updated FPV guidance should be on the BMFA website very soon.

At last, someone with knowledge,

Welcome aboard Andy.

No one on this forum calls himself an expert O/F. We just try and help each other.

Welcome from me as well Andy. Pop a few lines in "Introduce Yourself" thread, then we know a bit about the person we are talking to.

Garry

Big A wrote:
BMFA Insurance policy but ONLY where the following conditions are applied:

The activity is solely for sport and recreation purposes.
Two pilots must take part
A buddy box system must be employed
The pilot in charge must operate the master transmitter
The pilot in charge must not wear the headset or view a screen
The aircraft remains within the natural unaided visual range of the pilot in charge
Reliable operation of the Buddy Box is established
A clear handover protocol is established
The pilot in charge is solely responsible for the safety of the flight

With the publication by the CAA of the new exemption the BMFA policy for FPV flying has changed with regards to the use of a buddy lead, for models below 1.8kg fixed wing and 2.5kg rotorcraft a buddy lead is no longer required, subject to the conditions laid down in the exemption. i.e. max 400ft, a competent spotter, not flying over congested areas etc etc.

If you want to fly over 400ft or an aircraft above the specified weights a buddy lead must still be used.

The updated FPV guidance should be on the BMFA website very soon.[/quote]

Cheers for that Andy & welcome to the mad house ..... we seem to be getting new members every day now so I think it safe to assume that the forum has gone critical mass. :woohoo:

As Garry has said, an introduction post would be nice, but it's not compulsory.

Pol.

Interesting that the exemption granted by the CAA is on an annual basis valid only until 30 September 2013

www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ORS4_945.pdf

Apparently there was a similar previous exemption which expired on the 30 September 2012 but was specific to the FPV UK Association.

It appears the BMFA and FPV UK were in some disagreement!

Hi Big A, thank you for that! Does that mean we need to contact our local ATC aswell though? We have all sorts of air traffic that fly over at all different heights, could be a problem. :woohoo:

Thanks for the link Quorneng, I will take a longer read through.

Quorneng wrote: Interesting that the exemption granted by the CAA is on an annual basis valid only until 30 September 2013

www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ORS4_945.pdf

Apparently there was a similar previous exemption which expired on the 30 September 2012 but was specific to the FPV UK Association.

It appears the BMFA and FPV UK were in some disagreement!

It tends to be the way exemptions work, I would suspect that if all goes smoothly that in time the ANO will be changed to reflect the terms of the exemption thereby doing away with the need for an exemption.

Yes there was a previous exemption in place negotiated by FPVUK, sadly that only applied to FPVUK members and not all model aircraft flyers like the current exemption.

I don't think its fair to say there was disagreement between the BMFA and FPVUK about the terms of the exemption, more dissapointment that the original exemption was negotiated without the involvement of the other UK aeromodelling associations such as LMA, SAA, BMFA and BARCS and didn't apply to all model aircraft flyers.

Tom T wrote: Hi Big A, thank you for that! Does that mean we need to contact our local ATC aswell though? We have all sorts of air traffic that fly over at all different heights, could be a problem. :woohoo:

It depends on if you are in Class A,C,D,E airspace or an aerodrome traffic zone, if you are, yes you need permission from the relevent ATC Unit.

If your in unrestricted airspace you dont need to!!

4) The person in charge must not fly the SUA:

a) in Class A, C, D or E airspace unless permission of the appropriate air traffic control unit has been obtained;
b) within an aerodrome traffic zone during the notified hours of watch of the air traffic control unit (if any) at that aerodrome unless permission of any such air traffic control unit has been obtained;
c) at a height of more than 400 feet above the surface;
d) over or within 150 metres of any congested area;
e) over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;
f) within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft;
g) within 50 metres of any other person, apart from the competent observer, except when taking off or landing; or
h) within 30 metres of any other person, apart from the competent observer, during take-off or landing.

See BMFA FPV Page

Thank you so much Big A for posting that, even though FPV doesn't interest me personally, think it is good to read and understand rules of other categories.

Tom, for you too

www.fpvuk.org/forum/index.php