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PA-18 Super Cub for the BMFA R/C Scale Indoor Nats

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06 Sep 2016 15:00 #106 by Septic
Hi Martyn, I did initially start with small blocks, but apart from the odd ding it isn't as bad as all that and was slowing the process down. This is tiny and the wood really thin so the load is very light. But I take your point and this was why Andy suggested and additional "sacrificial" layer, applied without glue.

Rudder next

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06 Sep 2016 15:22 #107 by martynk
Danny,

Try painting the outer lamination with a drop of water to moisten it. I have found that wood will swell and the dings may disappear voluntarily. They *know* when they are not wanted
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06 Sep 2016 17:19 #108 by Septic
A little more done while waiting for the blessed tail bits to dry. Only drawback with soaking parts, they take a while to dry out.
Anyway the rudder is also complete, and I have added the combing over the dash.






Hopefully more later

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06 Sep 2016 17:20 #109 by Septic
And yes i forgot to add sellotape to the former, that will be fun trying to get it apart later......

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07 Sep 2016 17:24 #110 by Septic
A little more time invested in the Cub, all the tail surfaces are made, and the tailplane and rudder are sanded. Just have to give the parts plenty of time to dry. Super-Phatic sands well but only when it is FULLY dry!





Soon be time for the wings, I am really looking forward to that bit as I am building the wings using a new technique to me with split ribs, what could possibly go wrong :blink:

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27 Sep 2016 17:17 #111 by Septic
Started on the wings today, new technique to me, but then again most of this modelling lark is new to me :whistle:









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27 Sep 2016 17:25 #112 by martynk
Hi Danny

Some stupid questions.
1. Is the top photo a carved and sanded block template?
2. What is happening on the second photo?
3. the 3rd photo looks like you are stripping ribs on the inside edge of the curve - I don't think that is possible
4. I understand the 4th photo. Whatever you did worked and it looks very neat. Cracking plan as well

Sorry about that. I need to know as I may be doing something similar soon
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27 Sep 2016 17:34 - 27 Sep 2016 17:37 #113 by Septic
Hi Martin, there is no such thing as a stupid question my friend :) glad somebody is curious :)
the block is maple, though it could be any wood, its just I have some maple kicking about. It simply has the rib upper profile on one surface and the lower rib profile on the opposite surface. It was then bandsawed and drum sanded. As it happens the curve on the lower rib leading edge is not significant and can be sanded into straight 1/16th dtrips, so they wont get formed.
The second photo shows the block wrapped in clear parcel tape. Then has two laminations of watered pva taped to it. Once dry these form a nice curved sheet.
The third picture shows I am stripping the curved sheet into 1/16th wide strips, the ones already cut have toppled over onto their side, does that make sense?
As you say the 4th is fairly obvious :)
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27 Sep 2016 17:38 #114 by Ex-Member
Simple when you know how.

as usual another master class from the second main man. ;)

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27 Sep 2016 19:37 #115 by Septic
Thanks Tony :)

The wing has actually gone together quite well, not sure what is going on at the tips yet, but that will sort itself out I am sure.





The leading edge of the full size cub wing is sheeted in alloy, I am going to use paper. Sounds like it could be fun :unsure:

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27 Sep 2016 20:02 #116 by Eric
How do you tape watered pva? :S
Did you mean balsa soaked in diluted pva? :woohoo:

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27 Sep 2016 21:05 #117 by Septic
Yes balsa wetted with watered pva. Actually Evo stik resin w.
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28 Sep 2016 11:01 - 28 Sep 2016 11:02 #118 by martynk

Septic wrote:

The leading edge of the full size cub wing is sheeted in alloy, I am going to use paper. Sounds like it could be fun :unsure:


One of the problems I found using paper is that when you apply tissue and dope it has a very different colour density and finish as the (cartridge) paper I used was less absorbent to dope. It will be interesting to see how you get on.

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28 Sep 2016 11:08 #119 by Septic
Hi Martyn, yes it will be interesting, I am using yellow Esaki, and I will spray Cub yellow over that. Are you referring to just the raw tissue not masking the white of the cartridge paper?? Did you spray over the top?
I was toying with printing the reg etc onto the tissue but I will make stencils, as I am comfortable with that route.

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28 Sep 2016 11:08 #120 by martynk

Septic wrote: Hi Martin, there is no such thing as a stupid question my friend :) glad somebody is curious :)
the block is maple, though it could be any wood, its just I have some maple kicking about. It simply has the rib upper profile on one surface and the lower rib profile on the opposite surface. It was then bandsawed and drum sanded. As it happens the curve on the lower rib leading edge is not significant and can be sanded into straight 1/16th dtrips, so they wont get formed.
The second photo shows the block wrapped in clear parcel tape. Then has two laminations of watered pva taped to it. Once dry these form a nice curved sheet.
The third picture shows I am stripping the curved sheet into 1/16th wide strips, the ones already cut have toppled over onto their side, does that make sense?
As you say the 4th is fairly obvious :)
Cheers
Danny


Thanks Danny

Photo 1&2 - That surprised me slightly. When I was building indoor duration models, the ribs were sliced using a template in a traditional panner from very light 1/64 balsa, not sliced from a warped piece of sheet. Your requirement is different and your ribs are supported by the main spar so will be prevented from straightening

The 3rd photo - I can see that now - at first glance the sheet looked like it was on its side as I was expecting the slices to be cut from a template. Your method makes it look very easy..

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