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PA-18 Super Cub for the BMFA R/C Scale Indoor Nats

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06 Jul 2016 15:26 - 06 Jul 2016 15:41 #16 by Septic
4.3g for the Rx with combined servos and brushed esc
6.1g for the motor and gearbox
1.1g for the prop
4.2g for the lipo
Total 15.7g

Thats not so bad Martyn :)

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06 Jul 2016 15:49 #17 by Septic
TAKE TWO...........




Three views are scaled and positioned in a matrix, alligning major dimensions in all three views, using a 45 degree line to reflect the dimensions. All old stuff, that i am sure you know.....

This wont be so bad as I am faster with the tools, and I have it worked out in my head what I am doing..... makes you really appreciate and respect the designers!

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06 Jul 2016 16:05 - 06 Jul 2016 16:07 #18 by martynk
I can do 2D CAD. Rely on intuition for the 3rd dimension.
That looks superb. How many rivets are there?
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06 Jul 2016 16:06 #19 by martynk

Septic wrote: 4.3g for the Rx with combined servos and brushed esc
6.1g for the motor and gearbox
1.1g for the prop
4.2g for the lipo
Total 15.7g

Thats not so bad Martyn :)


You are right - not bad at all... The hurricane is still a possibility though the wing loading will be much higher
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06 Jul 2016 16:09 #20 by Quorneng
Third angle orthographic projection as used in the States (Europe tend to use first angle) but then it is an American plane. :P
Very nice but it is almost cheating using CAD! ;)
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06 Jul 2016 17:05 #21 by Septic
Cheating! :woohoo: I need all the help I can get I tell you ;)

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06 Jul 2016 22:06 #22 by Septic
Okay we have a new wing, this time I have added the riblets. Interesting that the rib spacing is totally different to the flapped variant.



Better see about the ribs and riblets, you will notice there is a step in this new wing which means the spars have to change course, deep joy.......

still it would be no fun if it was easy....

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06 Jul 2016 23:23 #23 by Quorneng
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Is there really a 'step' in the front spar on the full size?
I would be surprised if there was.
This picture of an uncovered wing suggests it is only the leading edge covering that is cut back outboard of the wing strut location. The spar continues to the tip - but I could be wrong. ;)
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07 Jul 2016 00:13 - 07 Jul 2016 09:15 #24 by Septic
I have some factory drawings I will take a look. As you say the sheeting steps and the riblets can be seen to be the same length. if the spar is continuous then it is a long way forward in the structure. I took my spars from the cabin ceiling beams, expecting to comtinue them right out to the tips.

I have finished the ribs (apart from the tip rib)


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07 Jul 2016 00:15 - 07 Jul 2016 00:20 #25 by Septic
You are quite right, the spar continues :) Well spotted.




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07 Jul 2016 06:52 #26 by Ex-Member

martynk wrote: Its a challenge isn't it? AUW less than 200g = 6.66oz in old money.

I was thinking about building a Hurricane for this (I have a plan for a 26" span model) but its gets penalised if it doesn't have working retracts!

What is the AUW of the flight gear Danny, Radio, ESC, Battery etc?


The biggest challenge on the weight Martyn, especially for a monoplane, is to get the wing loading below 15gm/sq dm. I normally work out the size of the model to give a loading that equates to a max weight of 200gm, then go from there. it's a similar challenge for the non-RC scale models, too!

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07 Jul 2016 09:29 #27 by Septic
I will leave all the maths to those that do them without a blinding headache. I need a button in cad that will give me the wing area ;) I can do the straight bits the tips I struggle with, I believe Andy that the area includes the tailplane?? does it also include the fuselage underside in the calculations for wing loading?

Re-worked the wing layout following from the spar revelation this morning from :) Thanks for your help guys :)



Right need to do some real work, maybe squeese more in later....

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07 Jul 2016 10:10 #28 by Septic
A quick Google and there is a way to measure the area within Turbocad, should have guessed really :whistle:




So the wing alone is 120.86 sq ins

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07 Jul 2016 10:18 - 07 Jul 2016 10:20 #29 by Ex-Member
The wing area for loading calculation includes the included area within the fuselage and any nacelles. So extend the leading and trailing edges (LE/TE) through the fuselage and use the included area in the calculation. For a curved LE/TE use the tangent to the curve where the LE/TE meets the fuselage.

You should also include the tailplane/foreplane.
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07 Jul 2016 11:02 #30 by Septic
Thanks Andy, according to my calcs the total area of the wings, plus centre section and tailplane is 151.29 sq ins
this is 97606.26mm² which is 9.7606 dm²



so times 9.7606 by 15 to give max legal weight............. drum roll........

146.409g

My head hurts time for a lie down.....

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