HobbyKing NEMESIS. Poly's bought an electric ARTF.

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21 Jan 2014 07:14 - 21 Jan 2014 07:56 #76 by Phil Wood
Here's another example of my reasoning with regard to getting the old bits to fit.
This is the Fuz side half way down to the tail. You can see that all but one short piece of the wood is still there, but it has popped apart & the longeron, (possibly technically a Stringer), looks ... errr, too long. :unsure:
I think this is just down to a bit of tension in the covering & it does pop nicely back in place.
I'm going to cut a strip of hardwood to replace the missing bit, not forgetting that I need it to be flush on the outer edge so that there won't be any creases once the covering is replaced.
When the top strip is popped back & glued, I can rest assured that the measurements on both sides will be spot on.


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21 Jan 2014 08:13 #77 by Ex-Member
Sounds like a good scheme to me Pol, I did a similar repair on a Fantic a few years ago and it's stood the test of time.

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21 Jan 2014 10:44 #78 by The Beard
Good on you Polc nice to see Nemesis going together.Ive pins like that as well

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21 Jan 2014 12:20 #79 by old fart
I make my own.

There is nothing like a dream to create the future.

Electrickery is the work of the devil.

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21 Jan 2014 12:41 #80 by Eric
Ah - the delights of Chinese 'plywood'. I have no idea what they bond the layers with, but it isn't glue! It splits and flakes in all directions at the slightest provocation, and I found it easiest to remove and replace, or add extra real wood stringers, as I repair bits.

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07 Feb 2014 04:31 #81 by Phil Wood
Found time to do a little more on this recently, here's a couple of pic's that help to show the extent of the damage.
What makes it worse is the fact that there are so many small shattered pieces & I think a lot of the bits have been lost at the crash site.
I did try to piece it back together with the minimum of stripping at first, but then decided that the covering & useless splintered bits were just getting in the way ..... eventually I took the covering & the front end completely off & treated it as a separate unit.












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07 Feb 2014 05:08 #82 by Phil Wood
One thing that I will tackle during this repair are some modifications to areas that I think let the model down from new.
The U/C mount was one of the worst. ..... the alloy UC is heavy enough to be steel, but has no elasticity at all. All you have to do is hit a stone on the runway & it's bent!!!! :ohmy:
The worst of it though is the thin piece of ply that it's bolted to.
Look at this picture. This is a view from the underside & the red rectangular outlined area is where a thin piece of ply was glued in place with flour & water ..... that's what the aluminium U/C was bolted to.
Obviously, as the model comes in to land, it will attempt to pull the U/C backwards a little (A lot if landing on grass) .... this will easily pull the thin ply plate out of this recessed cut out.
To make matters worse, it was impossible to get at this area to strengthen it because of the covering on the bottom, ... & the "holed" sheet of ply on the other side.
I did manage to get some supporting bearers into place before its maiden, but not enough to survive a crash.
Now I have plenty of access room before it's recovered & will make sure it's strong enough for Garry to trample on. [badass]


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07 Feb 2014 05:30 - 07 Feb 2014 05:35 #83 by Phil Wood
Back to sorting out this front end for a sec, I've kept the number of "re-joined" pieces to a minimum where they may have some effect on the geometry.
It's impossible to get the joins perfect & even if each joint added just 1/2 mm to the length of one side, several of these would lengthen that side to significantly throw the motor side thrust completely off.
I got the important bits into place & everything looks correctly aligned, there are several places that still need building up (as you can see) .... Then the whole front end will be reinforced with a combination of aluminium mesh & fiber glass, keeping an eye on the weight of course.
The recovering will follow that & I'll start planning a flying trip. :silly:












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07 Feb 2014 15:01 #84 by Eric
Regarding the crunchy ply undercart plate, you may recall I had the same trouble. The ali legs were in two parts, threaded through holes in the side of the fuz, and bolted to the ply with pre-fitted blind nuts and 'cheese-head' bolts. Every time a wheel hit anything bigger than a blade of grass, the ply plate shattered. In the end, I had to open the bottom up, remove all the debris, fit real ply, and used nice bouncy wire legs. I've had no problem there, since.

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08 Feb 2014 16:53 #85 by The Beard
It was badly damaged pol wasnt it.Nothing a complete rebuild would fix. [badass]

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08 Feb 2014 17:04 #86 by alan cantwell
Replied by alan cantwell on topic HobbyKing NEMESIS. Poly's bought an electric ARTF.
Nice to see you back in the saddle Pol, bet it makes you forget your woes too, keep up the good work

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07 Oct 2015 04:29 - 07 Oct 2015 04:37 #87 by Phil Wood
This model got shelved yet again and I've only recently decided to get off my backside & give it a new life..... I can't believe it's been over 8 months since I did anything on it. :whistle:
I have actually already finished the repairs but I took some pictures along the way so I thought I'd resurrect this thread and show you how I did it.
Just to backtrack a bit and in case anyone doesn't want to read back through the previous posts here's the story so far.
The model worked fine for a few flights, not the easiest model to fly, in fact quite scary, it was fast, sensitive & agile, .... just what you'd expect from a Pylon Racer.
Garry was unfortunate enough to give it a try and when he took it a bit of a distance away it lost all radio contact. .... He shouted to me that the radio was dead & the pair of us stood and watched as it spiraled in & crashed into very long grass. .... We later found out the Orange Rx we thought was full range, was in fact intended for a Park Flyer unless it had a satellite.
The front end was splinters and there was some damage along the length of the fuselage, but the wings escaped with just a minor dent on one leading edge.
Here's how I went about the repairs.
Some previous posts show that I tacked the front end together with cyano just to get an accurate shape of how it should be. ... This was important because the side & down thrust are built into it.
The next step was to use some ply to cut a completely new front to fit OVER the old one.... the stuff I used measures 3.7mm thickness.
I simply marked around the old sides right up to the front former & then chop off the whole front apart from about 3/4 of an inch.


Edit ... It's half four in the morning & I'm getting tired so I'll carry on tomorrow. It won't get left another 8 months this time because I'll have Garry kicking me if I don't show the finished model very soon. :woohoo:

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07 Oct 2015 06:41 #88 by Ex-Member
Nice to see you back in the model room and in print Pol! :cheer: :cheer:

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08 Oct 2015 04:40 - 08 Oct 2015 04:51 #89 by Phil Wood
The next step was to temporarily fit the sides to the stub of what was left of the old front. The important bit here was to make sure that they're pushed right up against the front former and fit as accurately as possible to match where the old sides where.
What I'm attempting to do is build a "Box" that is an oversize copy of the old front & will fit permanently in place over the 3/4 inch stub once complete..... this way I should keep the geometry the same.
This new front is going to be heavier than old one, but a few grams extra won't make much difference on a model of this weight, plus it's got power to spare.



The crucial part here is to keep checking the geometry, at this point I've already added two strips of hardwood which will hold the motor firewall. (For pedantic members, yes I know balsa is a hardwood, but you know what I mean :lol: ) and I'm getting ready to start adding cross bearers...... Once it's a complete "box" it should hold its shape & then it should just be a matter of matching up the bolt holes at the final gluing and fitting.
These are bolts BTW, not screws. I've drilled straight through the sides & the stubs using a drill bit the same size as the bolts, this way they'll serve to locate the two parts accurately.



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08 Oct 2015 05:21 - 08 Oct 2015 20:55 #90 by Phil Wood
Now some of you may be thinking that it would be a good idea to drill some lightening holes in these sides before I add the cross members & make up the box.... You'd be quite correct, but this was the way things went when I was doing the job. I very nearly glued the parts together without the holes. :whistle:
I'm also missing a load of pictures somewhere. I'm sure I took them so they'll be in the bowels of this computer somewhere, but you all know what a piece of wood looks like when you've drilled a load of holes in it. :silly:
I've also now just had another horrible thought.... did I properly tighten the screws that hold the motor to it's mounting plate????
I know I'll have done the job right, but it'll bug me now unless I check. :evil:
It's gone five O' clock in the morning and I'm getting too tired to do it now, but when I start my next shift tonight I'll whip the cowl back off & check my screw tightness, I'll also take some more pictures of the completed front end showing the holes. :lol:

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