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10 Apr 2026 10:41 #18001 by Quorneng
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A bit testing with the new ELGOO printer.
Two nose cones that I will need for repairs to the Skyray and the Gnat! 
 
Both printed in ColorFab LW-PLA have an inner and outer wall 5mm apart with a gyroid infill. Both use the same CURA settings with print speed set to 80mm/sec.
As is common with ColorFab LW-PLA there is quite a bit of stringing on the inside volume, most of which can be removed quite easily, but the outside surface is perfect.
For comparison using print settings that work for the old Anet A8 the smaller cone would take nearly 3 hours but the ELGOO did it in just 46 minutes.
For me the impressive bit is that even at the much higher speed the finished result with the ELGOO is just as good if not better!

Just to see what happens I printed out a "Benchy" test print at 4 times size. It actually is as big as the bed dimensions would allow even across the diagonal!
 
Still just a single wall with a 18% "line" infill it took 4 hours 44 minutes but it is still amazing light and stiff!
However in some large flat surfaces the skin has started to show "porosity" likely due to the single wall and high print speed.
 
What I did not know is that the Benchy boat was not designed as a toy but to specifically test the print capabilities of a 3D printer!   
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11 Apr 2026 10:54 #18002 by Eric
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That livery on the DC3/C47 represents the South East Asia Command.

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11 Apr 2026 20:34 #18003 by Eric
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This hour-long sorry tale of Veron, etc, is worth a watch, if you can get past the terrible AI commentary! - 

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11 Apr 2026 21:06 #18004 by Magpie
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I haven't watched the video yet but I remember Veron as a poor relation quality wise of Keil kraft.
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13 Apr 2026 15:52 #18005 by Eric
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13 Apr 2026 18:05 #18006 by Klipkopwildlife
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would not be easy to find though

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13 Apr 2026 22:30 #18007 by Quorneng
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Surely no different to IC powered free flight. Timer and dethermaliser?
It would be useful if a programmable flight controller was used giving a height limitation and "return to home" but then of course drones can do that already it just they don't thermal well!    
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14 Apr 2026 08:54 - 14 Apr 2026 08:55 #18008 by Magpie
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Re Veron Kits
I watched the video, it seems the main cause of Veron's demise was "Progress", likewise KeilKraft.
I didn't think the commentary was bad, there is plenty far worse.

Hunting around on Outerzone I came across this;
outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=15528
Do the experts think it could be upgraded to 5-axis?

Mind, I think it looks more like a spuggie than a magpie.
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14 Apr 2026 10:12 #18009 by Klipkopwildlife
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Do you mean 5 channel? If so putting ailerons on would mean seriously reducing the dihedral.
 

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14 Apr 2026 10:36 - 14 Apr 2026 10:52 #18010 by Magpie
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Yes I meant 5 channel.
The plan gives the dihedral as 5"" under one wing tip, I assume with the other one lying flat, that works out as 5.5deg on each wing. I reduced the Dragonfly to 2 deg.
It says 2 deg right-thrust which seems alot to me but doesn't mention down-thrust.
The CG position has quite a wide range, is this related to no down-thrust?

What is a tubulator?

The wing depth is 12.6% of the chord, a Clark Y is 11.5%. What difference would this make on a model?


 
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14 Apr 2026 10:46 #18011 by Klipkopwildlife
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The right thrust controls the tendency of the aircraft to swing to the left when opening the throttle. Downthrust is required to stop the nose rising when you open the throttle and the speed rises, hence the lift with a flat bottom wing. About 2 degrees was always the norm. We would mount the engine on an aluminium plate with the side thrust fixed but with the ability to put washers under the rear mounting screws.
Of course if you're going electric the it's easy to put washers under the motor mount.

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14 Apr 2026 10:58 #18012 by Eric
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The wide cofg range is related to the width of the wing chord!
A very slim chord has a very small range, whie a huge one, like a delta has a very large range.
That drawing looks very like a model that is popular Stateside, a slow lazy flyer - but for the moment the name escapes me, as it was of no interest to me. Lazy Bee, perhaps?

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14 Apr 2026 11:07 #18013 by Magpie
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The Lazy Bee is mentioned in the comments. Six versions are available on Outerzone.
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15 Apr 2026 17:06 #18014 by Eric
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Why was the DH Mosquito that shape?

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15 Apr 2026 19:03 #18015 by THE BLACKBIRD
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I thought the German bombers had the same shape to their wings, even their big gliders
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