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19 May 2026 14:22 #18046 by Klipkopwildlife
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I think Tim Hooper did a build on this one in RCM&E, I seem to remember it didn't fly very well and main spars were a problem. As for using the idea for V tails, if it was any good, all V tails would be done like it!

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19 May 2026 14:48 - 19 May 2026 14:55 #18047 by Eric
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I think that is generally referred to as a gull-wing.
The problem is - it is weakest where you need it to be strongest!
The high-stress area when considering weight-carrying/g-loading - is the mid-section, where most designers put the wing-joining tube!
With a shape like that, you cannot have a straight tube or bar, so all the stress is carried on a couple of wing-locating tabs and the flying wires.
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When it comes to Vee-tails, again you have no structural strength - and a compromised vertical vs horizontal area wing-plan. If you compress the verticals somewhat, and flatten the curve round to the horizontal, you are back to the existing T-tail configuration we are already using. That also has it's own problems. To make the joint between the vertical fin and the horizontal tail, you need a good joint. (usually a bolt or two, so it can't rotate!) and that imparts a twisting stress to the fuselage in anything but a perfect landing.

And - depending on the moment arm (the length of fuselage between main and tailplanes), the aircraft can get into a nose-high attitude where the stalled mainplane is totally masking the tailplane, leaving the pilot with zero pitch control until the ground gets in the way - whereas a 'normal' tailplane would be below the disturbed air of the stalled wing, which would automatically push the nose down.

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19 May 2026 16:40 #18048 by Eric
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Well - it's different! - 

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19 May 2026 17:49 #18049 by Magpie
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I can remember models folding up in the middle though this has a one-piece wing with the two halves joined by plywood(?) formers except they are narrowest in the centre.
And being a biplane it is stronger.

To me both the conventional tail & the T-tail both have wobbly fins.
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19 May 2026 18:09 - 19 May 2026 18:10 #18050 by Quorneng
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As Eric points out the elegant wing root shape of the Wasp does have a draw back, just look at the depth of the spar at the root compred to the rest of the wing.
   
i would also suggest the wing has no joiner but is built up in one piece that includes a section in the fuselage. It is then bolted down.
Advantage? Yes. it means as a biplane you can do away with the cabane struts but at the expense of considerable manufacturing difficulty.
Now if you are flying at 400+mph there is a drag advantage if the wing joins the fuselage at 90 degrees, like the inverted gull wing of the Chance Vought Corsair fighter, although in that case it also allowed the undrcarriage to be a bit shorter and still give ground clearance for the biggest ever fighter prop so was deemed worth the construction difficulty.
 

The same really applies to a V tail. A straight V is easier to construct than a curved one so there has to be a good reason to go to the trouble. Most V tails have full length control surfaces to generate the required effect. A working curved control surface would be a mechanical nightmare.

On one of my planes I use a V tail so it is less likely to get damaged in a long grass belly landing. I selected a fairly wide angle V to give adequate elevator authority but I found it then lacked sufficient tail vertical area so had marginal directional stability in a turn. The simple solution was a "compound" V with vertical bits at the tips of the V.
 
It worked very well for my particuler set of circumstances.
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19 May 2026 22:58 #18051 by Eric
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A model 'foldng up' in the middle - euphemistically called "clapping hands".  

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21 May 2026 10:32 #18052 by Eric
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The Red Bull team - doing what used to be impossible with a helicopter - 

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21 May 2026 10:33 #18053 by Eric
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The Red Bull team - doing what used to be impossible with a helicopter - 

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22 May 2026 13:55 #18054 by Eric
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23 May 2026 09:14 #18055 by Eric
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Red Arrows fly with less aircraft - 
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9p8rvl0d0o

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23 May 2026 20:37 #18056 by Quorneng
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Apparently because of a lack of spares. I can't really imagine flying with 7 rather than 9 will make a huge difference in the spare requirements but on the other hand I suspect airframe life is becoming critical. They are simply cutting down the hours on the oldest so they all reach the limit at about the same time.
They have been flying the Hawk T1 since 1980 that's 26 years. There are some airliners older than that but the Red Arrows Hawks have been doing high g aerobatic manoeuvres  regularly ever since.
The end date for the Red Arrows Hawks is 2030. I wonder how many planes they will be using in their aerobatic displays by then!  
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25 May 2026 11:51 #18057 by Eric
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Pause for thought - 

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26 May 2026 18:56 - 26 May 2026 18:57 #18058 by Eric
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From Farcebook -  [url=https://www.facebook.com/philippinesdefense?__cft__[0]Philippines Defense Forces Foru[/url]m  · Japan has begun deploying low-cost combat drones made primarily from corrugated cardboard, marking a new step in affordable military drone technology. The foldable drones, called AirKamuy 150, were developed by AirKamuy and are already being used by the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force.Costing only about $2,000 to $2,500 each, the drones are significantly cheaper than most modern military UAVs. They can be assembled in ordinary cardboard factories, and reach speeds of nearly 120 kph with a range of 159 kilometers. Designed for mass production, the drones can also be manufactured in ordinary cardboard factories, offering a fast and scalable solution for defense operations.  

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30 May 2026 18:06 #18059 by Klipkopwildlife
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Well I'm back, I forgot to tell Eric I'd be away but it looks like I never left!
We went to 2 Game reserves, one which BB knows (Marakele) and another one, Pilanesberg. A bit of 'memory lane' stuff since Mary remembers very little of the more recent Pilanesberg stuff but all the hours that she and her friend Brenda put in 40 years ago!

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31 May 2026 14:57 #18060 by THE BLACKBIRD
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