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08 Jan 2014 13:18 #166 by Fly-Navy
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Tony have a look at the DB Sport n Scale wing retention system if you don't mind a small hole under the wing close to the fuse. I got some at a show for my CAP Tiggie when I get roundtuit. Must say I feel like Alan does about the magnets, but hey it's your model mate.

Now that I am older it seemed nice I have more patience.
Turns out "I don't give a s**t "

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08 Jan 2014 15:56 #167 by Ex-Member
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wing plan nearly ready i think.


going to be a largish model isn't it. :woohoo:


not going to use magnets gents, just not sure which other method to use at the mo.
i will get the wings built first and then worry about it.

looking at ways to hide the servo's and control horns in the wing now.

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08 Jan 2014 16:05 #168 by Klipkopwildlife
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What material are those rods through the wing ribs T? Surely you can drill 1mm holes through and use a vertical pin through the wing skin.

Do it now, you may never get another chance
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08 Jan 2014 17:18 #169 by Eric
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Re the magnets that Tony isn't going to use - they weren't to hold the wings ON, just to hold them against the fuz. The wing rods and struts hold the wings on! It's no different to using a spring or elastic band between the wings to pull them in. Academic now, anyway.

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!

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08 Jan 2014 17:25 #170 by alan cantwell
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ya dont say

i have 2 sides
no you dont,
yes i do,

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08 Jan 2014 18:22 #171 by Quorneng
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I have to agree with Tony.
On a high wing with load bearing bracing any negative g load and the struts will tend to push the wing off the rods.
Technically the rods aren't required at all. It only needs two bolts for each wing.

There is no spar structure across the cabin roof.
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08 Jan 2014 20:25 #172 by alan cantwell
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Well done on finding that, ive looked everywhere for that sort of thing, thing is, that will all be welded steel, tubing, Tonys efforts with the tube will keep it alls safe, and not put strain on the cabane

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08 Jan 2014 20:28 #173 by Ex-Member
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been reading some airsail builds on line, they use u brackets on the cabane and bolts down through the 2 main spars to hold the wing on.
the spars and braced with steel between the first and second ribs only, so my tubes running through the first 3 ribs could actually be stronger than their method ? maybe.

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08 Jan 2014 20:36 #174 by Ex-Member
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I still believe that the tubes and strut arrangement alone will be sufficient for Tony's needs. I have a Laser 75 powered 86" span Storch (professionally built but yet to fly) that I acquired about five years ago. The wings are held on in a similar manner and I'm confident it'll be sufficient. Neither Tony nor I intend to put any negative G on our respective machines, so the flight loads will keep the wings in place.In any event, were the wings to be subject to negative G, here is little chance that they would do anything but move on the holding dowels by a very small amount, and I doubt that they would even do that. I firmly believe that even such a circumstance would have little effect on the flying qualities or handling characteristics of the aircraft.

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08 Jan 2014 20:37 #175 by Ex-Member
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alan cantwell wrote: Well done on finding that, ive looked everywhere for that sort of thing, thing is, that will all be welded steel, tubing, Tonys efforts with the tube will keep it alls safe, and not put strain on the cabane


I'm confused Alan. what do you mean by the word 'cabane'?

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08 Jan 2014 20:41 - 08 Jan 2014 20:43 #176 by Eric
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It doesn't have any! -

cabane

ca·bane
[kuh-ban] Show IPA
noun Aeronautics .
a mastlike structure on some early airplanes, used for supporting the wing.
Origin:
1910–15; < French; see cabin

Tony's Barnstormer has cabane struts!

if you are calm and collected when all about you are going berserk - you've missed something important!
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08 Jan 2014 21:26 - 08 Jan 2014 21:27 #177 by Ex-Member
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Eric wrote: It doesn't have any! -

cabane

ca·bane
[kuh-ban] Show IPA
noun Aeronautics .
a mastlike structure on some early airplanes, used for supporting the wing.
Origin:
1910–15; < French; see cabin
Tony's Barnstormer has cabane struts!



I think your interpretation of the definition is flawed Alan, there is no cabane on an Auster.
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08 Jan 2014 21:40 #178 by alan cantwell
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sorry, its just something i have always called the pats that support the wing mounting, but then, i think you knew that, and are all nitpicking,

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08 Jan 2014 21:42 #179 by Ex-Member
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i call it the cabane as well, sorry.
what should i call it then. :P

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08 Jan 2014 22:04 - 08 Jan 2014 22:14 #180 by alan cantwell
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i call anything that holds the wings on a cabane structure Tony, and i dont really give toss

i have 2 sides
no you dont,
yes i do,
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